disappeared.

Protocols. We need that. Oh, and we have our state

assembly representative. Somebody we hardly ever see. Melissa Radcliffe is.

HERON the right side of the room.

So Melissa, raise your hand so people can see you.

It's significant.

Melissa's right here.

Melissa was elected in November.

So she has been in that office now almost a

year.

And we see her here in Sun Prairie all the

time. She lives.

She'd lose. She says she lives in COTTAGE Grove. .

She certainly could live here.

She's here often enough.

Of so, and that's our good fortune.

And her predecessor was Gary Hebel and lived in this

community. And we saw a lot of Gary as well.

So she has a good person to follow.

Good leadership there. We're very fortunate with that. And we

also have a state Senator.

Melissa guard that we see out here quite often.

And that's a fortunate thing for our community. Sometimes those

people aren't as visible.

As they have been here.

We are getting close to the end. I think.

And while we're killing time, if anybody would like a

state of WISCONSIN blue book,

Melissa.

Melissa has a bunch of 'em .

Okay, so they'll have the contract.

So are you ready to start? Yes. All.

Right. So the city clerk has given us the go

ahead. We're ready to go.

So I'm gonna call to order the meeting of the

Sun Prairie common council for the evening of October 17th, 2023.

Let's get the roll.

Was thinking, looks like Jokisch here.

McElroy here, Stocker here.

Virgil here. Bohling I can turn that here. Crombie here.

Eisberner here, Jacobs here, and you have quorum.

And everybody is here all eight of our city council

members. Would you please rise and join me in the

pledge of allegiance?

I pledge allegiance allegiance to the flag flag of the

United United States of America and to the Republic, which stands.

God indivisible with LIBERTY justice for all.

First item that we're going to have for action this

evening is the consent agenda.

And under the consent agenda under other.

Consent agenda items.

Letter G proving the contract for the zoning code rewrite.

There's been a request that we pull that.

So I'm going to ask for a motion to approve

the consent agenda. Understanding the DG is not in there.

McElroy moves to approve Jacob seconds.

We have a motion and a second. All in favor.

Bless favor by Saint aye. Aye. Opposed. Aye. Stankey we're

eager.

To get going tonight. So now we're back we're at

the item that was pulled from the.

Consent agenda that is approved.

23 P L a 28 for zoning code rewrite.

So

maybe so

Brent you asked for that. Would you like to hear

a staff report on that? Or did you have something

specific?

On that.

I don't need a staff report. The only question, well,

I guess from staff or for staff I have is

that we're hiring a company out of Cincinnati.

Ohio to rewrite our code. And I'm just wondering if

there was anybody.

Closer. And perhaps in WISCONSIN that could assist with the

zone rewrite, especially because.

Part of the contract here says that it's going to

require or portions of it are going to require.

Our staff to help with because there are some states.

State specific laws on that. So I guess, can you

tell me how the bidding process or how this company

was chosen?

Sure Josh CLEMENTS is here as well. In case there's

any further questions, he was more involved, but we submitted,

or we issued an RFP for the project.

And got two responses. One was zone Kooi. There was

another firm. I can't recall the name right now.

Neither. One of them were local firms zone code does

have local personnel. So they have personnel working out of

the Madison office. MSA is part of their.

Project team and they have a.

Public engagement firm out of Chicago. So there's some more

Midwest and, and closer to WISCONSIN presence as well as

Project.

A follow up. So they are familiar with WISCONSIN zoning

laws already. It's just, they're headquarters is in another state.

Is that.

The understanding, correct? I, yeah, they have representatives really all

over the country. That'll be collaborating on the project, but

the lead on the project is actually.

Working out of Madison. All right. Stankey.

All right. So how about a motion to approve this

contract?

So moved Stankey Jacob seconds. Second.

In discussion on this motion.

Is there any

but only cuz I've seen this question come up if

to follow up on Scott's point.

I've seen this come up online a good bit. And.

I was involved in some of the RFPs and we

often have a.

Give extra points to local contractors. Is that true?

That's correct. And then

obviously we have to follow the state.

Procurement guidelines in these types of things also, is that

right? So, I mean, it's, we're, we're generally following the.

Same process as, yeah, we have our own process here.

That, that guides that, but we do. Yeah. The finance

department keeps us.

On the straight and true there. So to make sure

that we follow our guidelines.

Thanks. Cause I I've seen this question come up a

few times online. So I just wanted to throw that

in there. Stankey sure.

Any other discussion on this item?

I see none. Let's get the roll.

Jokisch

aye. McElroy. Aye. Stocker. Aye.

Virgil. Aye. Bohling

aye Crombie. Aye.

Eisberner aye. Jacobs. Aye. That passes eight zero.

All right. So we are moving on to citizen.

Appearances and public comment.

This is an opportunity for anybody in the audience this

evening.

The wishes to address this body on an item that

is not on the agenda this evening.

And it would not involve the awards that were about

to, to give out.

But if there's another item you would like to address

this body about.

Please come to the podium, state your name and address

and make your statement.

I see nobody in the room and I don't believe

there's anybody virtually wishing to address us. So we will

move on from.

There and we are at business of the mayor. So

this is where we're gonna get into the presentation of

the awards.

And I have a proclamation, so I'm gonna come down

to the podium.

You're gonna be Kodak, Jack I know we'll try.

Or wait, we have Ethan here. Ethan will take the

picture. Are you gonna do the photos now? Ethan? So

we should.

Terry I said this, and then I forgot it because

I didn't make a note about it.

And you are going to introduce.

Ethan. Would you do that while I try to figure

out how to turn this on? Well, I think Ethan

did a, I think Ethan did a really good job

of.

Going around and introducing himself, but ladies and gentlemen.

This is Ethan Ferrell. Where are you? .

This is Ethan Farrell.

He is the, the new municipal.

And county reporter.

He will be hopefully.

Sitting at that table for most of our committee of

the whole and council meetings.

Welcome Ethan. We appreciate you being here. Stankey I appreciate

it.

Great. Stankey Terry and I agree. Welcome Ethan. It's good

to have you here with us.

So I, first of all, have a proclamation.

For the city's media.

Center. Is there anybody here from the media center to

receive this? Jeff? Oh, there's Jeff. I didn't see you

before Jeff.

So we, the other thing we would've done had you

not been able to be here, we would've waited and

I wouldn't wanna miss this. Well, we, when you come

back.

For our budget hearing. Right. We would've included this, but

now we will do it.

So I am going to read the proclamation.

Presented to you and then give you the opportunity to

say a few words.

Stankey sir. All right. Your mic is on. It is.

Yes. You could tell. I confirm that Stankey whereas governor

Tony Evers says proclaimed.

October 20th, 2023.

Com community media day throughout the city, the state of

WISCONSIN.

And whereas the city of Sun Prairie features its own.

Media center, the Sun Prairie Media Center.

And whereas the Sun Prairie media center's mission.

Is to educate, inform, entertain, and empower.

Through programming and learning opportunities for all members of the

community.

And whereas the Sun Prairie Media Center.

Is an active and dynamic media center.

Welcoming the community to

access access, engage, access.

Engage and create entertaining and informative content.

And whereas through programming the community gains a deeper understanding

of their community.

While expanding their Civic.

Participation. And whereas on the occasion of the state of

WISCONSIN, celebrating the hard work and importance.

Of Wisconsin's media.

Centers and encouraging all Wisconsinites to support their local media

centers.

And stay involved in community.

Happening. And whereas it is most.

Appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the Sun Prairie

Media Center.

Now, therefore I, Paul Esser by virtue, the authority vested

in me as mayor on behalf of the city of

Sun Prairie.

Hereby recognizes October 20th.

2023 as Sun Prairie.

Media Center day, and I am gonna present this to

the.

Director executive director of the Sun Prairie Media Center. Do

I have that title? Right? Sounds good to me. All

right. so.

And then I'll give you an opportunity, Jeff, to say

a few words and then the city council's.

Gonna want shake again? I just wanna thank everybody for

coming out to see me tonight. you, you, you

could have watched this on, could have watched this on.

TV or listened to it on the radio, but I

appreciate the, the in person support.

Real quick. Cause I know there's a lot of business

to get to. I just want to thank everybody who

makes my job easier. Rachel Mara Collins and Dan in

the back.

And the media center commission. And of course, Mr. Mayor.

And the, the fine folks on the city council. So

Stankey very much for this.

I think demon will

so that was quick. I'm I'm looking at my notes

here. So there are two sets of awards.

That we're doing this evening. The first is the James

J Reiner lifetime achievement awards.

And there are three people that are going to receive

those awards. So I will call you up one by

one for that.

And then after that, we're going to do the CHARLES

Ashley awards.

Let me tell you about the Reiner award. The, the,

the award is given.

To the city of Sun Prairie residence, whose efforts over

several years.

Deserve to be recognized.

The nominating committee for the James J Reiner award.

Consists of Amy McCutchen. And I believe Amy is on

here with us.

Okay. And the editor of the star and that position

is empty. I don't know Ethan, if that's got your

name on it next.

But you got a year now to prepare and our

city administrator is part of this. So they have selected.

Three people this year, they nominated them.

And the city council selected them as being worthy.

Of receiving this award.

And so Amy you're with us virtually. I understand there.

I see you, Amy.

So would you like to say something before I begin?

Reading the bios of the people and giving them the

awards.

Amy you bet. I would. Stankey so much.

Mr mayor.

For having this, this evening and Stankey to the city

council.

For approving these three very deserving nominees.

I was thinking about this and I do have to

apologize for not being de being able to be there.

I have injured my leg and I'm not able to

drive and my husband's in the hospital. So I'm sorry

about that. But.

It, I would, I've been thinking about this award and.

It brings back so many happy memories.

About my dad.

Volunteering was so important to him.

Being a former member of the city council himself.

And doing various

activities throughout the community. He felt it was always very

important to give back to your community.

Because in the long run, it makes it a better

place to live.

And we have three very.

Well disserving people who do just that or have done

just that.

By making some PRAIRIE, a better place. So.

Stankey so much for all that you've done.

Truly appreciate it. Well, Stankey, Stankey Amy. We're used to

having you here, so we will miss you. Yes. This

evening. Unfortunate, fortunate.

You're able to be with us virtually.

Yes. So we have three different people and each time.

When I announce somebody, I'm gonna ask you to come

up here.

And if you have people with you, friends or family

members that you would like to have join you up

Please bring them up here with you.

Then I'm going to, I've got a little bio for

each of you. I'm gonna read that and I'll present

you with the certificate.

And then give each of the people.

An opportunity to say a few words, if they wish

to you, aren't required to.

And then I'm going to ask you if you will

go around and shake all the city council's.

Hands so that they feel like they are a part

of it. It isn't just left to us.

So I'm gonna begin with the first of the James

Reiner lifetime achievement awards and it is going to go

to.

LORI, Ken Delmore, please. ROSE.

Oh, aren't they gonna come up?

Nobody wants to come.

Carol would come. You gotta stand here by me because

you're gonna talk. Oh, when you're done said I didn't

have to, well, you don't have to you don't

To so she's joined by her husband and her daughter.

So, let me read this, LORI.

LORI is currently the vice president of the Sun Prairie

education foundation and the vice president of the Sun Prairie

optimist club.

Yes.

Audience participation.

She serves on the police advisory board.

Friends of the neighborhood navigators.

And on the historical library and MUSEUM board.

LORI is an active volunteer with the colonial club.

East high school, Sun Prairie, United Methodist church.

And for various city activities, including as an election worker.

LORI previously served.

As the chamber board secretary.

Sound of Sun Prairie volunteer.

And Kooi chaperone chair.

The business education, partnership, board member.

Which says previously, but you still serve on that, don't

you, but I'm not an officially a board member.

Oh, Sun Prairie, United Methodist board.

And treasurer of the

Prairie View middle school.

S C O and the Sun Prairie high school. S

C O.

So you have been quite a.

Contributor volunteer in this community and in recognition of that

Lowrey.

I'd like to present you with this.

Award, and we will

let Ethan take our picture.

All right. And we're good. Super and I, you don't

care to say any words? No, I will say so

please. You know me please? Yeah, I know you.

Yes. You know me very well.

I I'm very honored.

To receive this tonight. I had no idea this was

coming.

I love this community.

This is I, I can't believe we're so lucky to

be able to live here.

And being able to volunteer with so many wonderful people

on all these boards and things that he mentioned.

I I'm just overwhelmed with the opportunity to be able

to meet and work with all of you.

Have anybody who doesn't live here should live here because

it's the coolest place to live.

And I appreciate very much the award Stankey.

Now I'm gonna give you.

So while she's making her rounds, I'm gonna call up

the next person. And the next person is no longer

with us, but I understand.

His daughters are here, Tom Skinner.

And Julie, okay, please.

And hi. Hi. So you know them. Oh, they're gonna

take pictures. So.

Julie, Julie you're Julie and.

Jean Jean Julie and Jean.

Okay. Alright.

Right. So

so Tom, their dad, Julian jeans is no longer with

us, but has been in this city a long time.

And in fact, he used to walk.

From CARRIAGE Hills to the telephone company. Mm-hmm I

almost ran over him one time. probably you. I

was backing. I lived on the corner.

On Bristol street and I was backing out and not

paying attention. It was dark and I almost ran over

your dad, but you could sit, you could set your

clock.

By your dad. He was a great guy. So here

I have some good things to say about him. Awesome.

Tom was the founding member of the Sun Prairie Civic

theater, Tom and his wife, Mary were active in the

Sun Prairie Civic theater for over.

40 years and was active in the community. He delivered.

Four meals on wheels for the colonial club and volunteered

with RSVP to drive people to medical appointments.

Tom passed away peacefully on August 15th, 2023.

So it's appropriate that we are remembering him and it's

timely. It's sad, but it's timely. So I'm gonna present

you with this.

Proclamation. And then if one of you, or both of

you would like to say something, you're welcome to do

that. If you feel comfortable with that, Stankey.

Stankey would you like to say something?

Or you don't ONEIDA just Stankey Stankey to everybody involved.

We just lost our dad a couple months ago. He.

Loved this community. He loved this city.

He, and my mother both she's been gone 10 years

now, but they were so involved with volunteer work.

And absolutely love this city and Stankey for honoring him.

We really appreciate it.

Next is Steve Pogue.

I saw Steve and Darcy before there, Steve.

Darcy wanna join you up here?

Oh, is he, would he like to join us?

He's good.

thankfully, you didn't run over me while I lived. No,

you never did like that. Steve and I worked together

for a lot of years though.

And

well, we worked together for a lot of years. Very

PLEASANT being associated with you.

So Steve Polk, Steve is currently the Sun Prairie lions

club.

Diabetes chair.

Global service chair and serves as the liaison to the

WISCONSIN distributors for the bar stool open.

And Groundhog open. Steve is an active participant in many

regular.

Lions projects and oversees the club's reading.

Action program, where they donate funds for teachers to purchase

And read to Westside and Northside kindergarten.

Classes he's currently involved in efforts to collect plastic.

Bags to be distributed.

Be recycled into park benches and is close to the

club, earning their third bench.

Steve is also a trainer.

At the lions district level.

So Steve, I'm gonna present this proclamation or award to

you.

Would you like to see a few words? Just a

few.

First off Stankey it's very much an honor.

Amy Stankey and your family.

Your dad was a wonderful man.

I'd like to thank

the, the lions clubs, Sun Prairie lions. I've been Alliance

since 2000 and 2000 actually.

And now I'm more involved with some of the district

level things, but I enjoy it. I think everybody here

that's gotten an award. They, they.

Giving your time and effort is, is just.

Makes you feel well, so appreciate it. Stankey so much.

Stankey

so Stacy

Christenson Stacy.

All right.

You couldn't have gotten any further away. that's a

good one. Yeah. Well, we're calling you out.

On that. So now we're changing. We're going to be

talking about the CHARLES.

D Ashley award.

And so the Charlie

CHARLES D Ashley award to citizens of the city of

Sun Prairie.

As having done the most good for the city during

each year.

The nominating committee consists of.

The city council with advisory.

Help from the editor of the star. Do you see

a pattern here? Yeah, I bet they didn't tell you

about this. Did they?

And with the, with the vacancy at the star, the

current nomination committee.

Submitted nominees for the Ashley award. And there are three.

Four nominees. And the first one that I have here

this evening.

Is Stacy Christenson.

Sue Stacy is currently

the community school site coordinator at Northside elementary school.

All right. It's my family. Yeah, they can. I hear

that. Yeah. I can hear Darcy too. She taught.

There. And, you know, she wouldn't come up here, go

outside. Were you at Westside, but your son went to

Norris SAC. .

All right. Stacy was in the AmeriCorps for two years

and has worked in various community settings as a case

manager and client.

Volunteer services manager.

Stacy is an active volunteer with the Sun Prairie food

pantry.

Sun Prairie soccer booster club and the Alzheimer's association.

She has volunteered for national night out in One QBE,

big brothers and big sisters.

Habitat for humanity, boys and girls clubs, special Olympics, salvation

army.

And served on the border board of directors of NAMI.

Stacy led this year's effort to host SUN Prairie's first

ever.

Pride Fest and it was a big success. It was

a big effort. Yeah.

We as the city were very pleased with that, Stacy

and we appreciate the effort that you did. You had

a beautiful day, but.

It was a beautiful event. You filled.

The Wetmore park ground that day. That was just great.

So.

We very much appreciate what you've done for this community.

And now I want to present you with this award.

Stacy and we'll let

photographer. He's also the correspondent.

For this. Okay. All right. And would you like to

say a few words? Sure. Sure. Please, please. I'm not

as well polished as some of these folks without notes.

So when I first was nominated for this award, I

channeled my inner Lanis Morissette, and I thought, wow, this

is really.

Ironic to get an award.

For doing the most good because this year for me

has been full of some really unexpected challenges.

So I made a conscious decision this year to kind

of lean into those, the hurt and the hardship.

And not to avoid it. And that's a compartmentalize. It.

In fact, this past year after losing my mom, my

grief led me to loving others better.

And giving back to my community even more.

Being vulnerable in this way has allowed me to sew

up some of my wounds and honor the community work

that my mom also loved.

I'm thankful for hard times and loss and adversity, because

somehow in a truly unimaginable way to me, it's made

me a better person.

This award is a tremendous honor.

I also received this award, not only as an individual,

but as a collective, because a good leader surrounds himself

with great people. And I have a lot of my

great people.

Here. And I truly couldn't have made it through this

year without all of you. So Stankey and Stankey to

mayor and the city for allowing me to do really

great things. So lots more to come.

So Stankey great. Stankey

and next is Stacy's going around. Donna Mackey.

And

family members, anybody want to join?

Don up here.

My husband. Oh, good. Good.

Stankey Stankey

all right. So Donna Mackey.

Donna currently serves on the friends of the Sun Prairie

library.

Board Sun Prairie, historical library.

And MUSEUM board and co-facilitate the Sun Prairie public library's

book club.

Urban SUN KUHLE black voices book club.

She Kentucky conducts D E I workshops for public organizations.

And provides D E I and race.

Relations consultation.

Donna has previously served as Breyer patch, counselor and board

member.

Y w C a

facilitator and board member and member of the youth and

families commission.

Donna has organized various military.

Volunteer projects and works with various.

Church organizations. That's very impressive, Donna. And she is also

a very nice person.

Would you like to see a few words, Donna? Yes,

I would. Okay.

I would like to thank everyone.

Especially the council. This was a very big surprise for

me.

And I would especially like to say that when my

family moved here, we moved here 34 years ago.

We didn't think that Sun Prairie was going to be

our home. We had lived all over the world.

And when we got here, we found out that Sun

Prairie was very welcoming and we got a sense of

belonging.

And I like to say that a community is only

as strong.

As the people in the community.

And so I would like to really.

Challenge everyone in Sun Prairie to continue.

Helping people as they move to Sun Prairie, feel that

they do belong.

This can be a home for many people.

But I especially like to thank my family.

Because throughout all of this.

They have been very supportive.

And they've really encouraged me to do a lot of

the things that I've been doing.

Especially my husband. He always said that when he retired

from the military,

that it would be my time to do my thing.

And guess what? He's let me do that.

Stankey

and shake hands.

Stankey Stankey very much.

Stacy DAGA would you come up while we're.

My spotter.

Hi. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you doing?

I'm doing okay. I heard you were getting some repair

work. Yeah. So you can stay.

Hi RICKEL but I made it up here or you

can go sit down. It's okay. .

Let's keep 'em up for, we're gonna stay. We got

I head back surgery a week ago. So that's what,

yeah. Yeah. Okay. But you're doing good. You're up here

and I'm sure am nine feet. Okay. Well, let's read

about you here.

Oh, okay. I've got some nice notes that Sandy Jung

has put together. Do you know Sandy? I sure do.

Yeah. Sandy is a peach.

So sand Sandy. Well, we should do an award for

Sandy. Somehow. We should do an award for Sandy.

Stacy is currently the community school site coordinator for Westside

elementary. .

DC has been a part of several unique and critical

efforts to support Sun Prairie families, including.

Neighborhood outreach during the pandemic to serve hot lunches and

toiletries.

Wacky Wednesday, summer lunch programs.

And the, we are one family fund, which helps get

families, what they need.

She is active with her church and is a Sun

Optimist club member.

Stacy's previous volunteer service included Sun Prairie food pantry.

Some PRAIRIE, Y M C a and serving on the

advisory board.

Schools of hope tutor volunteer at Sun Prairie.

Area school district schools.

And the booster club for Sun Prairie.

East High School. So Stacy, I would like to present

this award to you. Stankey and we will get our

photo done.

I am. Well, yeah, you are good.

Stankey so much for the honor of this award. I

was very.

Surprised to receive it. And.

I'm super excited to share it with the fellow site

coordinator.

So I think that's pretty awesome. Right?

We've lived here a long time. I started thinking about

it when I knew I was going to be able

to make it and I didn't have to be on

that screen tonight.

We've lived here 25 years.

Same house, same neighborhood.

Our children went through these schools.

We, we truly love this community. We've seen a lot

of changes for the community.

And I, I think back to I had parents.

That instilled volunteerism.

My mom was the first one when there was a

new family to bring the panel lasagna and cookies.

To welcome them. And my dad, who was the Navy

seal.

He was in charge of our church, youth group, even

before he had his own children, which was crazy to

be with those teens, but they really.

Instilled in me that giving back to your community is

what it's all about.

Right. That's what we're put here to do is to

serve others.

And I hope that I've instilled that in my own

kids. I think I have.

They still give back to their own school and other

organizations that they're in. So, but I would not be

here without all my family and friends who are with

me tonight.

Stankey for coming.

The job that the other Stacy and I do is

long hours.

We're we're at school late at night. Sometimes some people

are like, do you just sleep at west side? Do

you have a Murphy bed or something? And I said,

well, I've got a husband that works.

At home. So that sort of saves our marriage because

I'm at Westside a long time.

And he can be at home, but I truly love

what I do.

Many of, you know, though there isn't, there is a

new chapter from Mrs. DAGA.

I am retiring at the end of the school year.

So, but it'll be okay west. Side's going be fine.

I'm gonna make sure of it. So.

There's some Minga new horizons for Mrs. DAGA coming up

too, but you have not seen the last Dimi. So

Stankey so much.

Mr Minga. Okay.

Debbie, Debbie.

Dauck Scheuerell Debbie there, you.

How are you tonight? Good. It's fun to have you.

Here Stankey

we don't usually get this many people turning out. Oh

no, look, they turn out. And the idea is they're

supposed to be one person, but they couldn't choose.

Oh, so they, that's why we've had so many today.

That's good. A lot of people. Yeah. A lot of

people are excited to be here. So next is Debbie

FOX Schrader.

Debbie is a member of the Sun Prairie rotary club,

which has spearheaded several projects at PATRICK.

Marsh to add a minted amenities. She currently serves as

the secretary for district 62 50.

Which is encompasses Sun Prairie. Excuse me, encompasses rotary clubs

in WISCONSIN.

In Southeastern Minnesota.

Debbie previously served as the president of the Sun Prairie

education foundation.

Debbie has been instrumental.

In supporting the city's efforts to transfer PATRICK.

Marsh to the city of Sun Prairie.

And I, Debbie want to present this.

Award to you. Let's get our picture.

And then

would you say a few words for us? Sure. And

then shake hands with the city council. Of course.

I wanna thank everybody as the, some of the other

recipients said, this came as a complete.

Shock to me.

And I could think of a lot other, other deserving

people. So it was really nice to see those people

here tonight. .

It's you know,

I'm I would just reiterate what people said, but we

do what we do.

Except I'm the one who gets choked up. We do

what we do because we love it.

Working

with the education foundation and rotary has been.

A true delight that I've been doing for many years.

And.

As Stacy said, I, I wasn't born here in this

community, but.

I've lived here for over 30.

Three years. My husband went to school here in Sun

Prairie.

So it is a wonderful place to call home. We're

lucky to have such.

Gracious people within our community with their resources.

And their time and their talent, and I've just really.

Honored to accept this award.

Stankey nice to have you here.

Stankey take

that completes our awards this evening, we are going to

move on with our meeting and you are certainly welcome

to stay.

But if you wish to leave now would be a

good time. .

So you can get out quietly and we'll wait until

you.

Do that? No.

No, it really isn't. But.

If they want to, they can stay.

Stankey Amy.

For being here with us this evening.

We'll see you next year. Maybe you can be here

in person then.

Good deal. Yeah.

Thanks, Amy.

Stankey so much and I will definitely be there next

year.

So he doesn't want to.

Stay either for this? No, he doesn't wanna stay.

all right. We are going to move on with our

agenda.

And now we're at committee.

Reports. And the first one is committee of the whole

Terry.

Stankey Mr. Mayor.

What I have to report on is the employment contract.

For our city administrator.

Earlier this evening.

Enclosed session, the council reached consensus.

On the city administrator's contract.

And compensation plan, the contract will extend it to.

14 years and his salary for 2024. This is his

entire benefit.

Package will be $215,406 and 82 cents.

And I will make that motion.

I will second a second. And we're into discussion on

that item. Is there any discussion Stankey Ryan for closing

the door?

any discussion.

See none. Let's get the roll.

Jokisch aye. McElroy. Aye.

Stalker. Aye. Virgil. Aye.

Bohling aye. Crombie. Aye.

Eisberner aye. Jacobs. Aye.

That passes eight zero. And then we are going down

to plan commission, Maureen. I didn't make my notes.

Are you the person

are you the older I'm planned commission from the council?

Yes. So would you please present this item and.

There are, I've got two comment cards and also AMANDA

O'Hara.

Is on here and wishes to address us on this.

Okay.

Stankey your honor. So on Tuesday.

October 10th, the planning commission held a public meeting.

To consider a request by bass pro spot or shops

for approval of a precise implementation plan.

Amendment to increase the quantity and size of a loud

wall signage.

Located at 1350 CABELA DR. Drive.

So the commission considered the recommendation from staff.

Concluding that the requests completes.

The, with the, or complies with the requirements of the

general development plan.

And other applicable plans and regulations provided.

The conditions of a par of approval.

And met in full by the applicant.

After reviewing the request, a motion to approve the requested

P I P.

Amendment failed on a vote of four to one with

two people.

Two commissioners that abstained from the vote.

So basically section 2.4 0.040.

Of the municipal code requires a majority.

Of all the members of the commission. So commission five

to take action on any item.

Therefore the request was forwarded to the planning commission or

from the planning commission with no recomme.

Recommendation, but I am going to based on.

Staff recommendation and the vote and Tuesday night.

I'm gonna make a recommenda or I'm going to.

Make recommendation that we approve.

The the bass pro spot or shops P I P.

So we've got a motion to approve. Is there a

second?

Second second. So now we're gonna go into discussion.

And we have

Amy, AMANDA, excuse me, AMANDA. O'Hara.

From bass pro shop that wishes to address us.

And then I have two comment cards. So.

AMANDA. Do you want to make your presentation to us?

Yes, sir. May I first off, I wanna say Stankey

because I joined in early enough to see the award

presentation.

Clearly, you guys have some amazing members of your community

who volunteer a lot of their time. And it was

very humbling to watch.

Some of their stories and, and hear about them. So

Stankey for that.

Secondly, I just wanna kind of, for those who were

here last week again, I'm AMANDA.

It's nice to see you guys again. And for those

who are not, I can introduce myself.

I'm the senior project manager.

For bass pro shops responsible for handling the bass pro

shops. Cabela's rebrand project. That's currently taking place across the

country in the us.

And obviously I'm here representing BAS pro shops. I'm an

attendance there in person is Mr. Eric ROSE is a.

Or he's with side effects. He's our local partner. Who'll

be installing the.

Location for us and Mr. Ryan Roberts, who is a

general manager for the Sun Prairie bass per shops as

well.

Both are here to help answer any questions that you

know, the council may have. I believe Mr. Roberts may

have even prepared a statement for support of the signage.

That he may like to share. I just wanted to

kind of touch base on.

Best pro shops. What they're doing, what their intentions are.

So bass pro shops is recognized internationally as one of

the most identifiable brands due to both the grandeur of

Well, as the standardized nature of their branding throughout all

of their current locations.

I mean, it's important for bass pro shops to maintain

this standard level of branding.

Bass pro shops has initiated a rebranding to, of all

their acquired Cabot stores across the us.

And Canada, and they're looking to implement the standard branding

across those locations as well. For consistency in branding.

I mentioned this last week, and I know that there's

many people on this board that were not in that

meeting last week, that the rebranding of the.

Sun Prairie location is no exception.

This store was actually identified as one of the highest

priority stores. Number four, up top of a list of

86 locations that are being rebranded.

So therefore it's like P pivotal.

In setting the rebrand standards for going forward.

It's extremely exciting for bass pro shops, obviously. And in

addition to the existing building, signage being rebranded here, I'm

sure all of you.

Are aware this location is expanding with a boat, new

boat canopy.

Showroom and a service center for boats, meaning new products.

Services creation and new jobs within the city. And of

course, new customers.

All of which are gonna positively affect not only bass

pro, but the city of Sun Prairie and the residence

as well with all of the fueling of ample tax

dollars back into.

The community in the past few months, we've worked really

closely with the planning department to propose signage as close

as possible to allowable code.

And yet still allow bass pro shops to have their

standard required branding.

As a result is the drawing that you guys are

seeing here in front of you this evening.

In addition to the drawing. I know that Mr. ROSE

provided two additional packages, counsel.

One's a visual package showing the samples of signage.

That had been installed at other locations.

As recommended by the board last week.

And the second package are photos of the existing elevations

and signage for this particular store is just a quick

visual reference.

I'm happy to run through both of those documents if

you'd like, but essentially we're here. We're kindly asking that

the council please consider approving the requested variance.

Is presented. I'm happy to answer any questions that you

may have about the proposed signage. And I would also

like to open it up to Mr. ROSE and Mr.

Should they have anything to add, but Stankey for the

opportunity and the time tonight to review this.

Okay, AMANDA, let's hear from Ryan.

He wishes to speak. I've got a comment card from

him where he indicated he wishes to speak to us.

So Ryan, if you would come up and introduce yourself,

and make your statement to this body.

And then when we get the statements in, then we'll

open it up for discussion and there may be questions

directed to.

You or to Ryan or Eric?

As well, so please

I may have turned that off.

Ryan, I loud. It, it, we need it for the

TV audience.

So it isn't just us got you in this room.

So the green light is on now. Yeah. You tell

us my first time speaking up here. So it's all

new to me. okay.

Okay. My name's Ryan Roberts. I'm the gentle manager of

the SUN prey store. I actually gentleman manager of the

Richfield store too.

I just wanna talk about a little bit, why I've

been asked to come up and that's about what we

do for the community versus much more about all the

construction pieces, but the re.

Rebranding of bass pro and what it does.

For some PRAIRIE in the community is quite as substantial.

And I just wanna bring up some of the points.

So as we go through, as we talk about Johnny Morrison,

how dedicated it is to the foundation of donating back

to hunting and fishing, the wildlife community.

It trickles down to the stores.

This year alone as we grow in Sun Prairie, we've

donated over $7,000 to any local.

Community and organizations on the store level, where it comes

out of the store sales and profit.

We also have donated $7,000.

This year to 5 0 1 organizations to support the bigger part

of Sun Prairie and some outlying communities.

I think the biggest thing that I wanna put out

about Sun Prairie and what the impact we have.

Is the passion of our customers shopping, donate when they

go through the registers.

30% of our triad transactions this year had some kind

of donation attached to it. This donation's anywhere from a

penny to a dollar.

Sometimes a little bit more, depending on the customer wants

to donate more of that 30, 30% that is.

$64,000 that we have raised this year.

To that actual funnel back into the SUN ferry communities,

the organizations.

In the city, as well as the outlying areas.

It's a very impactful, very impactful store out of the

region. Sun Prairie sits third in the region for the

dollars donated and the amount that is actually.

Rounded up for the transactions.

We get donations. And I got a few donations that

I'd like to, to highlight like the Sun Prairie, fire

and rescue.

Sun Prairie area school district. We donated that one was

kind of fun because it was for the kids' camp,

summer camp for a fishing camp.

Very nice. Make a wish foundation.

Wildlife society.

Dane county pheasants forever. Sun Prairie, archery booster club.

Outdoor HERITAGE education center. That's just a few of the

30 plus stores or organizations that we distributed to this

year.

Some of the other fun stuff that we do for

the community. We do a lot of kids sponsor stuff

at the stores.

We have a fish and classic, which is huge fishing,

WISCONSIN.

We actually have a finishing kids classic every year where

we bring a, a pool in and actually fill it

for full of whether it's crappy or bluegill.

And actually have a kid, some kids actually fishing for

the first time, get to come out, experience that with

their parents. You should see the faces light up when

they're actually out there fishing.

Some of the other things we do for families in

the, in the, in the community is we actually have

several times we do out three year, we go out

free photos of events.

The biggest one obviously is coming up with Christmas. Any

family that shows up has a free photo with Santa.

We also have Thanksgiving. We also do Easter. And I

think one of the fun ones that you'll be surprised

at is we actually have dog day where people bring

In and hundreds of dogs running around that get kind

of messy, but that is a huge one as well.

So as the store itself. Yes. The rebranding is big

because bass pro shops is what is, is all about

is the funding of the outdoors. So I just wanna.

Show a little bit of time. I'll give you what

we do at Sun Prairie. And it is growing, being

third in the region. And 30% of our, our transactions

is huge, huge dollars.

Coming back to the community. Great. Stankey Stankey Ryan.

And Eric, I've got a comment card from you saying

that you're available to answer questions. Did you have something

you wish to say to us?

Would you come up and introduce yourself? Eric? My name's

Eric ROSE. I'm the project coordinator and permit. Expeditor.

For sign effects in Milwaukee. Okay. Partnered with Semmann. We're

gonna do the install work for this project. Okay. All

right. There's not a lot. I can add.

AMANDA and okay. Ryan are a tough act to follow,

but.

Only thing I would add is that from a signed

standpoint, as a signed guy, I've looked at these signs,

I've seen these go up and, and.

Pro shops spent a lot of time.

And effort they've really put together a good product that

they put on their buildings. These aren't an inferior sign

whatsoever in any manner.

They're a good quality.

Okay. And signage program. All right. Good.

Stankey Eric. Mm-hmm . Now let's go into discussion on

this item. Is there discussion Terry?

Stankey Mr. Mayor.

Sun Prairie community is certainly glad to have bass pro

shops. I am.

Very very pleased that you are so involved in the

community and donating back.

However

I spoke to this request last week.

At planning commission.

We have ordinances for a reason.

And if we're not gonna follow the ordinance, there's no

point in having an ordinance.

There are too many signs in this community.

So many in fact that people don't even see some

of them. Did I understand that you were.

Third in

donations? No, no third in the region for.

For sales, then I would say that your clientele know

exactly where to find you. Sorry. Doesn't donation.

Mr mayor. He should probably come to the podium. So

the audience can hear what he's saying. Yeah, it probably

won't be the only questions he has. Okay.

Yeah, start all over with that, Ryan, you would sorry.

Stankey I apologize.

It's third in donations. So all the customers that shop

us, they donate per transaction. They have an opportunity to

give back to the community.

And, and organizations locally.

On our sales. We're a third in the region, as

far as our community and our customers donating back to

the community that we have funds to give back to

the community. So it's not.

The total sales, it's the dollar amount that customers are

giving when they go through the transactions.

Okay. Stankey for the clarification Stankey we certainly appreciate having

a business in this community.

That gives back to the community on a regular.

Basis, but as I was stating.

If I know that

Cabela's is well known.

I'm not a sports person.

But I know bass pro shops.

I mean, you, you market yourself a lot.

And I know, I know of bass pro shops.

I don't know how the, the size of the sign

or the number of signs that you're adding.

Or that you're asking to add is going to make

a difference.

In people finding you

a majority of adults, if they're looking for a destination.

They're using their iPhone. They're using their iPhone maps app.

To find a destination. I also wanna mention that.

Our economic coordinator.

Head of our economic development coordinator coordinator.

In Sun Prairie.

A couple weeks ago, spoke to rebranding rebranding of the

city.

And at that time, she did make the, the comment

People don't see the signs in this community.

Because they're not strategically placed.

More is not

always better.

I, I don't.

I don't want you to think that I am not

appreciative of you being here.

Of your business.

I know that you're gonna be very.

Successful here.

But I do feel that we have an ordinance in

place for a reason.

And to change that ordinance.

For one business does not make sense to me. All

that's gonna lead to is setting a precedent.

Stankey for your time and welcome to the community. Stankey

you're welcome. Stankey if I, if I may, can I,

can I address, can I speak to the.

Code versus the signage and what we're looking at, you

could. Okay. So if you look at the front elevation,

for instance, that would be sign 1, 2, 3, 4.

And six on the east front elevation.

Okay. So based on the code of allies, we're allowed

10% of the building frontage. No greater than 450 square

foot.

I understand that code. I understand that it makes sense,

especially on the smaller type buildings.

But this is based on building frontage. And this building

frontage is 14,350 square foot.

We're only proposing and I say only, but we're proposing.

807.9 square foot of signage on the front elevation. So

we're currently only asking for.

5.6% of signage coverage on the front of that building.

Versus a 10% that the code allows.

That we are missing. So where we're falling short is

the 450 square foot maximum that we're allowed, but we

really are only asking for 5.6.

Of the building in relation to the building frontage square

footage.

Some additional things. I, I just wanna note is that,

you know, and I mentioned this during last meeting, you

know, best pro shots made some concession.

Concessions on their standard signage package. It's important that they

have their standard signage. As Josh mentioned last week to

the.

Board and I'll just kind of reiterate it. The tracker,

boats, the Cabelas, the redhead letters that these are all.

Partners. It's a it's Enger.

To have them on the building.

And in reviewing this, they eliminated fast pro shops, eliminate

it to eliminate it signs from their initial proposal of

their typical branding for the front of the store.

Just to show their willingness to work with the planning

department and get as close to the allowable square footage

as possible.

On the existing photo package. I also wanna speak about

visibility specifically for this front elevation.

If you look at the photos of like page one,

two, and three of the existing signage photo package in

the visual that, you know, we provided.

You'll see the visibility from the front.

Elevation to the closest edge of south grand AVE. The

VILLAGE visibility point is estimated like 900 and or 984

foot from the front of the store.

To the proposed signage. So it's a thousand feet.

The signs, you know, you could see the scale of

the current signage versus the visibility standpoint. And we provided

photo samples of the.

Signs installed on another location. You can see the signs,

as Eric mentioned are very well constructed, beautifully crafted.

And given the sizing and grandeur of this particular building

with the visibility distance, we believe the signage proposed for

this location is very well sized.

And very proportionate to the overall size of the building.

The the

con the question of quantity.

So code allows three signs. We have it listed as

five signs that we're proposing. So we're asking for two

over.

Technically on a typical building, the best pro logo in

the outdoor world cabinet.

Or actually considered one sign, but because they are installed

on two different planes on this building because of how

it's.

You know how the building was built.

We had to go to them as two signs.

And obviously square footage wise. If we listed them as

one, we had to calculate the overall square.

Footage based off the outdoor world cabinet versus individually.

So I just wanted to kind of touch on that.

I can also touch on the west elevation.

I know that the current west elevation letter set, you

can see that on page four of the visual.

That letter said is a legal nonconforming sign as it's

permanent. It was permanent prior to being face prior to

the.

Adjacent property being zoned, residential.

However bass pro shops, the moment they heard this.

Very quickly agreed with planning in the interest of the

community and the residents in the area to not only

remove the elimination, the, you know, the illumination of the.

Sign, but to remove the bass pro shops branding altogether

from that elevation and they simply proposed like a non

illuminated boat service sign.

The sign is an incidental wayfinding for informational. It's an

informational sign.

And its purpose is just to clearly identify the boat

service area for customers mm-hmm . So not only on

that elevation, did they.

Eliminate eliminate all the elimination, but what they're proposing on

that elevation.

Reduces the square footage of signage by 135.07 square foot.

They also reduce square footage, square footage of signage on

the north elevation by 78.9 square foot. So we're asking

Two signs on that side of the building. We're code

only allows one, but again, we're reducing the square footage.

Versus what's currently on the elevation. So bass pro's made

a lot of concessions with the signs in hopes to

get it down to as close as code as possible.

Still maintaining their standard branding and visibility.

So let's AMANDA.

Hear, if there is more discussion.

Okay. And then see where that takes us.

Brent. Thanks.

I share older McElroy's concern about deviating from the ordinance

and allowing this.

Because this is a heavily commercial area that it's being

There's a target, a Costco, a Woodman's and all these

other stores around there.

That are following the ordinances. At least to my knowledge

in my concern is okay. We make some deviations for

bass pro shop and then we're approach.

Approached by the other retailers and it comes to the

sign pollution that ALDER McElroy alluded to. So that is

my hesitancy on this.

And if I could

and I guess I should have started with this. I

love the store. I spend a lot of money there

and have the black card. So I really enjoy that

location.

I spend a lot of time there.

But you referenced the east front visual from south grand

avenue.

And from the picture that is provided to us, I

do see that the, the signage is a little.

Difficult to see from that point in grand avenue.

But isn't that why you have, I believe it's signed

12, which.

Is conveniently not on the picture, but.

Just slightly up the road. It's a big Cabelas, which

would be now bass pro shop sign to direct people

to that location.

I guess, why do you need the large storefront sign

and the large sign on the intersection?

Again, I'm, I'm, don't run your business, but I, I

just think.

The large sign 12.

Helps alleviate the concern from page three.

The east grand visual we have here.

So, those are just my thoughts. I know there weren't

any questions, but now a question for AMANDA.

I was looking through the packet where provided, and it

says the following very variations from the Prairie Lakes, GDP,

and.

The zoning ordinance was requested.

Have you had to have conversations with.

The developers of Prairie Lakes regarding the signage.

So we had, yes, I can. I can. Absolutely. I

can answer that. So,

we had to obtain landlord approval and submitted that we

were on an earlier board meeting.

And I was not aware that the developer had to

approve the signage as well.

And best per we've received the letter that they did

not. And bass pro actually made further concessions on their

signage.

Including making sign number and forgive me, cuz I don't

wanna misstate the sign number.

Show sign number.

10, I believe it. Well, yep. Sign number 10 was

actually originally illuminated in one of the further concessions we

made was to make that not illuminated.

And more of a dimensional sign to the face.

At the developer's request.

So with a couple more concessions, we were able to

get back into the meeting and have their blessing on

the signage as well. Okay. And did.

The developer approve these plans.

Yes.

Okay. I spoke with the developer and.

For public record, it is not approved. They removed the

one or their objections. They had to the signage. So

I'm concerned as well that we're being told.

That the developer has approved it.

When in fact they removed the current objections specifically with

related to the lighting. That's all I have.

Okay. So I apologize.

If I misinterpret that, but as I was told that

all the objections were removed and I was under the

impression it was approved. So if there's something outside of

that, that I'm.

Not aware of, I apologize. That was not communicated to

me. That's right. Stankey.

Steven Stankey your honor.

Yeah, Josh. I was wondering if you could come off

a mute, please. I've got a question question or two

for you.

You you Josh it's there? No CLE. Yes, sir. No.

Josh Clement, our planning director.

Yes, sir. Yes. Okay. Thanks Josh.

Yeah. Did something happen between 2014 and now.

Because that allowed, let's say Woodmans and.

And Costco to have bigger signs. And now.

Our current ordinance is a.

Restricting it

sure. So there's two, two variables and many of these.

Are prior to my time. So I, I look for,

to Scott to back me up here, but all these

are within the same Prairie Lakes, general.

Development plan. And so they.

They crafted their general development plan. They created their own.

Zoning code in, in essence for the small area of

the city.

So, you know, the city ordinances.

Only apply when the GDP is silent on.

On something within the GDP. So the, so the developers

originally wrote this code for this development.

And so in each of these.

Each of these properties have been developed.

The signs also vary from the GDP. So some of

these existing sites have.

Signage that that also deviate from the, from the GDP,

because they were evaluated based upon.

The size of the buildings and.

The council at that time and what that business was

proposing.

Okay. And then the other part of my question is

this is being recommended as an approval by staff.

So how far out of comp how far.

From the ordinance, are we, or in other words, what

would.

Bass pro shops have to do to get.

Within the ordinance.

Reduce the number of signs and reduce the size and,

Is this come you because I'm gonna ask Brooke, gimme

one second, pulling up my notes. If it's possible to.

Comply. So the, the current ordinance ha allows two.

Facade facing

signs.

Facing a non-residential property.

Building and buildings greater than a hundred.

Length of frontage. So

bass pro shops has, has three.

On the Northeast and south facades.

Okay.

So that, so it's the maximum number of signs.

And then the, the

larger the total.

Area of signs. So as was mentioned,

the Prairie Lakes G

signage only put a limit on the percentage on, on

a facade of 10%.

We continue to regulate the, a max of 400 square

feet of total signage. So.

There there's kind of two variables, a total total sign

area and percentage. And so as a big building, you

got a bit, you know, as a percentage goes up,

they're they're held back by that, that total area.

So, so the building

they're seeking to increase the total allowed.

Total area on one frontage.

From

their peritus four 50. They proposed 800 or 808 square

feet. I believe mm-hmm .

And they proposed the increase. The number of signs allowed

from three to five.

Okay. And they did, and they did through.

Through working with staff, they did reduce the total number

of signs as was mentioned.

They are replacing an illuminated sign that faces residential property.

Again, that sign was, was installed.

Prior to that property adjoining becoming a residential use. So

it was legal, nonconforming.

So that sign is being replaced with a non illuminated

sign.

So, so there were several things that have changed from

their initial.

Proposal that have brought it closer to being in.

Compliance with the, the Prairie Lakes GDP.

Okay. Stankey for that. And mm-hmm .

Was when you talk about total square footage of the

building.

I assume you're taking into consideration their new addition, which.

I was out in that area today and I saw

the workers probably putting.

Some of the final, like mud on the walls and

things like that.

Right. And

and to get a, get a sense of.

Comparison out there. So Woodman's has.

Has four signs on their front facade. They have 484

square feet.

So they're they have larger.

Area of signs than, than what fast pro shops is

proposing.

Costco, although they only have two signs, their total area

is 811 square feet. So.

So each of those two E existing stores have.

Have larger sign areas, preexisting. They have, they have fewer

number, but in total they're greater area.

Okay. So I guess the question would be, and again,

this would be for best pro shop.

Is it possible to

create your signage to be in compliance so we can

approve it. As I assume we would approve it.

Or are you standing firm on.

What you're proposing.

I'd have to speak on bass pro's you know, obviously

I'm not having this conversation with them directly right now.

But I know that they have made concessions.

And there's certain signs that they have to have up

for licensing.

I'm

I'm pretty sure that they're gonna wanna stick with what

they're proposing.

At this point for the, for the review and the

vote.

Based on prior.

Concessions, but obviously if, if they ONEIDA go back to

the drawing board,

it's just a conversation I'm gonna have to have with

them.

Okay. Stankey Tina.

So, can I, can you just clarify for me in

regards to the additional.

Illumination, how many additional illuminated signs.

Cuz we were talking about one that wasn't gonna be

illuminated. Can you remind me?

We're actually removing two existing illuminated.

Signs and replacing them with non illuminated signs.

Smaller square footage and on one location, actually replacing the

branding altogether with more of a.

Informational sign versus any type of branding. So it's not

fast pro shops. It just says boat service to identify

the.

Canopy doors for the service center.

So it's a scaling back. We're reducing on all elevations

except for the front.

Can you talk a little bit more about the front.

Yeah. I'm think, oh, here's where, here's where my perspective

is coming from and why I'm asking the question just

to kind of, I know I'm like asking you.

These leading questions, but the thing that I'm trying to

identify, cause we said the unlimited illuminated, and then I'm

like, oh.

I'm trying to gauge in regards to light pollution.

So my concern is in regards to light pollution. I

think that would be, you know, a concern for.

Cabela's and, and bass pro shops. I also a customer

and love it, but, and, and hence the passion around

like pollution and how it impacts.

Wildlife BIRD migration.

Night, you know, all of that, whereas I know it's

in this.

This business district and

we have a lot of lights already.

I'll be pushing, I'll be pushing on this particular topic.

For all projects, but I just wanted to cuz it's,

it's, it's a thing.

And it's, and it's very.

Damaging to

our ecosystem. So I just, that's where my question's coming

from. Can you speak to that? So yes, I can.

I absolutely can. Okay. So.

Johnny Morrison his conservation.

Partnerships throughout the, the country won't internationally. Really? They're all

about conservation, right? So.

We've had to adjust the lighting. We've had to put

dimmers, we've had to do things of this nature and

such in other areas. It's not something they're oppos.

Opposed to doing that's for sure.

And concessions can't be made on, on.

The amount of illumination in the signs right now, they

have a certain LEDs. They like to keep with those

O LEDs, but they can absolutely.

Decrease the women outputs for the signs as needed if

required by the board.

Okay. And

for question four, Scott and team.

Where, where does this reside actually, which staff city staff.

Either Josh or I can answer questions.

Okay. I just wanna make sure.

So would that be something that need, would that request

or that piece be ONEIDA be incorporated within the P

I P.

Approval here. Is it amended?

Component or how does that work?

If you're interested, we wanted to decrease the lumens and

make those modifications.

As part of this project.

Yeah, I don't, I don't believe there's anything in our

ordinance right now that controls the, the lumens or anything

in the.

The P I P so I would think if there's

some.

Level light lighting level or, you know, timing or whatever

that you might agree on with the applicant that would

have to be written into.

The resolution through a condition of approval.

So do I ONEIDA ask for that?

Here and now, or how, what is the process? It

would ONEIDA occur before the resolution gets approved. So if

that's going to happen this evening, we'd.

Have to you'd have to make a, an amendment to

the motion.

To add such a condition. Unfortunately, I'm not prepared to

offer you any guidance as far as like lumens or

anything like that. Not having researched this at all.

To know what might be appropriate. Mm-hmm .

Inappropriate and full transparency. I wouldn't be able to actually,

that's a little bit more technical outside of my realm,

but I can say that.

In past locations, it's been, we've had stipulations as far

as timers, certain times in which they ONEIDA go off.

Bass pro has been definitely willing to work that aspect

of it as needed.

I mean, that's even a gentleman's agreement where the technical

drawings been submitted for building.

Permit, you know, building permits can reflect that information.

Or that requirement. So it's definitely something they're willing to

discuss or, or put in as far as the permitting

level, if this were to be.

Approved tonight and be able to go into permitting.

So that's just our

process. I mean, I don't know how it works on

that end as far as having to do the resolution

or whatever, but it's definitely something they're willing to consider.

Should this be approved?

This evening and actually implement in the permitting phase.

If needed as far as a timer or certain hours

to cut off things of that nature.

Mike

yeah. So I'm gonna have questions for AMANDA, Ryan and

Scott. I'm gonna start with you Scott, because you know,

I like Terry, I say we have ordinances to follow

But I wanna understand the origin of this ordinance, which

is why I'm directing it towards you. Why, why have

we set these limitations?

Yeah. So I will say our sign ordinance has been

difficult.

To enforce.

And, and manage and comply with, for these large format

retail stores. Right? So the, the, the sign ordinance is

in place. It applies.

Citywide. So all commercial or non-residential uses are in the

same.

Pot in terms of our sign regulations. Right. And so.

If you think about smaller buildings in the community, 450

square feet, the limit was put in place at some

I can't recall what the exact origin of that number

is, but I think that's to, you know,

control on most properties throughout the city, you know, a

reasonable level of signage. It's proven difficult on the large

format stores.

And, you know, the, the table that you see on

the staff report on page two is.

Evidence of that. Right? We have.

I believe seven buildings listed there.

Five of them exceed that limit. And so.

Through the plan development process, we have kind of demonstrated

Willingness in the past to.

Address the, the difficulties with that ordinance through the plan

development ordinance, understanding that these buildings are a little unique.

We're not going to have dozens of large format stores

throughout the city. We're gonna have a handful of them.

I'm guessing we're probably at about our limit.

Now once IV moves forward and gets constructed.

So

the the 450 limit has proven to be.

Small. I think the distance of these buildings from the

street is one factor.

That. And then just the scale of the buildings and

the Cabela's building formerly CABELA is now bass pro shop.

You know, has even gotten a little larger, right? So

the, the, as AMANDA mentioned, the percentage of signage overall

on this facade,

would be relatively low compared to what's allowed by the

ordinance, but that.

Cap that was put on there. I think just to

kind of control things for most buildings throughout the city.

Is where we have the difficulty, but we do have

a demonstrated.

You know, I guess

history here of allowing some leeway on these larger format

stores.

And the bass pro shop proposal here is kind of.

You know, mid-range to a high, high, mid range of

what we've approved on other sites.

In this vicinity.

Scott several years ago, a developer Jerry Connery came to

me and complained about.

Someone who was violating this particular ordinance.

So, if we were to grant this leeway, which as

of right now, I'm opposed to, what are we gonna

tell? You know, what do we tell other businesses that

wanna violate this ordinance?

What are we gonna tell 'em? I mean, I think,

you know, there is a question of the equal protection

clause, right. But what are we gonna tell 'em? What

is the staff gonna tell 'em? Cause they're gonna come

to you before they come to us.

So we've actually loosened up the sign ordinance a little

bit citywide, right? The 10% of the.

The square footage of the facade is allowed for signage

in many areas and 7%. And he went from seven

to 10%. We've done.

That in, in, you know, all over Prairie Lakes, I

guess it surprises me that Jerry would be complaining about

that. Maybe it was one of the uses.

That he, you know, he, he didn't represent out there.

But I'm sure it was. I mean, I don't recall.

I think it was a bank, but I don't, I

don't really remember what it was. Sure. You know, I,

I would just say, you know, there's a.

If we were to amend the ordinance to raise that

number.

I think we'd run into problems or situations elsewhere in

the city that we might not want to see. So

I think the, the way that we chose to address.

It, as we were dealing with these large format stores.

Over the years has been to do it on a

case by case basis.

Using our best judgment, trying our best to keep them

in check.

And, you know, kind of look at what was reasonable.

Per building, just like any other plan development, right? The.

Variations get requested and we use our best judgment to

try to determine whether what they're asking for is appropriate.

Okay. So my next question goes to.

Either AMANDA or Ryan, I'm not sure who wants to

speak about this store specifically.

That particular question? No, no. A different question. Oh, go

ahead. Okay, AMANDA.

Okay. So the, the question is.

So you reference this store as priority number four out

of 86. And I'll tell you the mayor and I.

Were there when Cabela's first opened, we were, and I

recall, you know, before they actually opened the doors,

they had, I don't wanna call it a secret meeting,

but a, a pep talk.

For all of the employees and we were privy to

that. And I remember the words that he said, he

said, this was ground zero. Like there was not a

better place.

Mm-hmm you know, to have this store.

Which, you know, to me, it says, you know, do

you need signs? So my question is,

for this store and I, and I'm, I'm sure you've

done studies. Maybe you haven't. I, I would guess you

have.

What kind of traffic do you have is that's like

walk-in traffic versus.

I'm driving here from Reedsburg, because I want to go

to bass pro shop.

So I don't have Ashe, actual statistics, but obviously being

in the central part where north, south, east, and west,

it's a destination location.

So people traveling obviously will come in what brings a

lot more revenue, but I'll also tell you that a

lot of locals that we just heard up here from

some, they love the place and we get traffic from.

Both sides of the world, but I, I don't have

those particular numbers with me. Yeah. I know a lot

of people love the place. You know, I lived in.

PROVIDENCE for seven years and twice a day, I walked

my dog by what was Cabela's.

And strangely enough, when a, a man's walking, a dog,

people will stop on Hep care and ask you where's

the jerky store or.

You know, how do I get to the downtown, whatever.

No one in all those times ever asked me how

to find Cabelas, nobody ever. I mean, the thing is

the biggest building in town.

I mean, if you can't find that, I mean, I

don't know. That's.

I just don't think that we need more sign. I

think it's ground zero.

No one can't cannot not find this right.

Stankey can I just wanna mention just one thing. It's

not that we need more signs it's that we need

different signs, right? This is a rebrand.

Rebranding of CABELA DR. The best pro shops. It's it's

got.

It's got that. The appeal of bass pro shops. It's

known nationally and.

And up in Canada as well that people will travel.

You know, sometimes up to a hundred miles a day,

I know that best person will let of support saying

that, you know,

these people, they learn that this is a bass pro

shop and they wanna travel. Not that they're not traveling

to CABELA DR. Stores. Not that they don't know that

Pro shots bought CABELA, DR. But.

It's the introduction of the new brand to the store.

It's not additional signage to what's out there. It's changing

of the existing signage.

So that it's reflective of the bass pro shop's brand

and bring it more into conformance with the other stores

nationally.

Bob.

I have to admit that. Well, my question for.

Josh and Scott, I think you basically addressed it.

Was gonna be, you know, why are you recommending approval

for this? And I look at this table that you

showed us.

On page five and you're, if I'm understanding correctly,

you're saying you, you kind of judge it on a

case by case basis.

And the percentage of signage versus total square foot.

This seemed reasonable. And is, is that the.

Basis. What would you say?

Yeah. I think the amended package that they brought back

is.

Not out of line with others that we've approved for

similar.

Size stores in Sun Prairie in that vicinity.

And I was a little bit confused. I want to

clarify.

Did I hear the, so the Prairie Lakes GDP would.

Trump the ordinance or did I have that correct? Or.

And does it say anything on this.

With all plan developments.

Essentially the general development plan.

Is almost like an overlay zone. Right? So if there

are provisions in the general development plan that modify.

Our ordinance standards.

Then the general development plan provisions apply. So right. If

there's a, an, an area where the, the general development

plan is silent, then our ordinance applies. I.

See, and does the GDP say anything on total signage?

I believe

I believe.

Josh helped me out here. You were a little more

in touch with this one.

I believe the four 50 is the number that we're.

Oh, so the, there was not specifically a.

Revised standard in the, the.

The Prairie Lakes, general development plan, but we certainly have

had requests.

In the past, as these stores get implemented and bring

their Pittz in. Okay.

But I'm correct. As far as the reason you and

your staff recommend this is because it is in line

with other large store.

Stores and also the percentage.

Percentage data that you shared, is that correct? That was

our evaluation. Yes. Yeah. I, I guess I'm supportive of

this proposal.

Based on what the other large.

Stores in the area are doing Stankey.

David

I'm sorry, I got several questions. I'm trying to be

as quick as possible, I guess.

How many other stores have you had to request an

ordinance change?

During this rebranding.

So so far, like I said, this is the fourth

store that's being rebranded.

Rebrand it I'd say at this point, we've had to

obtain a variance for two and we've been approved for

two based on normal code.

Honestly, that's kind of it's, it's a 50 50 draw

throughout the 86 locations.

We've actually pulled code check for all 86 locations. And

we really are at about a 50, 50 mark of

municipalities who will allow the signs.

Versus those that require a variance.

All right. You say we were a high priority. What

made us high priority?

So there were, I, I, I really believe it has

to do with the placement of the store.

I know that Ryan spoke earlier about the amount of

donations and stuff that come through. That's very important.

To Johnny Morris, you guys are only behind, as far

as the, the stores that have been done so far,

they did the.

Glendale Arizona store head of the super bowl. They did

the Augusta Georgia store ahead of the masters. They did

a Kansas city store head of.

NASCAR. And then you guys are, are next on the

list.

So

honestly, they're hand selected by John Johnny Morris. He's

took a need and, and stood up and said, these

are the ones I want done first. And.

Sun Prairie was the fourth one on the list. So,

so we a big deal, huh?

okay. I'll take that as a yes, we are

a big deal. I'm gonna ECHO what Mike says.

if, if this was back home, I'm from Baltimore

originally. If this was back there, I, I totally get

it. If it was any other.

Place. I totally get it. I came here and I

just see.

I've never been some, any place where I've seen so

many people.

Obsessed with hunting and fishing so I gotta ECHO

Mike.

People know where it is. Mm-hmm and I also

think winning Rome.

And if you know our community and you know, our

people, we going to support the store. That's proven through

the donations.

And is it safe to say that those donations are

used to fund some of those events that you're giving

back to the community?

Yes, we can move the.

You said, just stay up there, man. I know

it's been a long day. So the funds we do

that, we get go right back to the community or.

Bigger organizations as well, the pheasants for tomorrow, all local.

And it could be to the, to the local schools

for raffles or the supportings of the kids programs or

whatever. So it goes right.

Back in I'm actually forgiveness, cuz I don't wanna sound

like a jerk. You're good. Okay. All right. Because.

What it is is our community is making these donations.

So it's almost like our community giving back to our

own community. Y'all just facilitating the events.

And what I would say is I would rather y'all

do less signage and use some of that money to

give back to the community.

And invest in us cuz our community has invested in

you.

That's just as how I feel about it. I mean,

I, I think I'm one second. I think we can

fit this in.

Because bass pro is big.

So I think they can make it work.

And I think we have ordinances for a reason. I,

I, I, I just agree with that. I think it's

a way to make it work.

And, and, and

one thing I asked about I'm big on community and

I'm big on, on, on collaboration. I asked if, if,

if it was.

Worked out with the developer.

Y'all said yes. And I, I found out myself that,

that wasn't the case. I asked if you.

Communicated with the community as well.

And you mentioned that, well, some lady came up and

talked, so you guess.

But the lady was a, is a fellow ALDER that

spoke get last week.

So

please sell me.

Well understand. So I, again, I apologize for any misinformation

that was given to me, I was told that the

developer's information that we made.

A concession, the drawing was revised that any of his.

Issues with the drawings were withdrawn and that we had

approval to proceed. Otherwise I don't, I, I was under

the impression it wouldn't have even moved forward with.

Submittal into the planning department or that commission meeting. So

forgive me, I will plead ignorance to that. I apologize.

As far as

you know, giving back to the community.

It's Johnny Morris and best pro shops has done that.

Continuously and not just some PRAIRIE I'm talking just on

a grand scale of things.

They've support many organizations and foundations. I've got many examples

here that I can read you some where they've.

In the face of tragedy or hurricanes Houston, for example,

they sent 125 of their own tracker boats out to.

Help the Texas.

The the Texas national guard lead into more than 18,000

water rescues.

When 2019 hurricane Dorian hit The Bahamas bass pro shops, partners

with convoy for hope and raised an excess of four.

Million for ongoing.

Relief efforts and there's many, many more like they have

a lifelong commitment to re recruiting. Can I stop quickly?

Don't hire for HEROS.

10% of their workforce are, are veterans that they hire.

There's so many ways that they get back to the

community.

Outside of just taking

donations. And then, and then putting the, you know, organizing

events and then bringing those.

Dollars back into the community with the events. It, it

goes well beyond that. So AMANDA, I'm gonna interrupt you

there. There's no doubt.

About bass pro shop that there's no need for you

to tell us what a good organization are.

I think we've got an issue here. We're not seem

to be in a position we're about to approve this.

So I think we've gotta figure out a path forward.

With this, we've got to get you what you need

and yet live within what our requirements are and what

this body is willing to.

Accept then it's not clear to me what this body

is willing to accept.

I've heard different things about the amount of light and

the size of the signs and the number of signs.

We can't be vastly off of this. What step do

we ONEIDA take to get you to where you're at?

That's actually a, a question I was asking this body,

AMANDA, that AMANDA.

I'm back here now asking this body.

I'm not asking you, do you wanted to say something?

Yes, your honor. Stankey, this'll be very quick. I have

the feeling that everybody up here.

Mo the majority of you are.

Or I'm the minority.

I support this and some of the reasons that I

support it and with all due respect.

I never even heard of sports or this place, to

be honest with you.

The, the bass pro shop. I had never heard of

it.

And I had never heard of Cabela's when it first

moved here.

And I knew about it, you know?

Kind of, but it's like, I'm a sports authority or,

you know, I'm a Dick's sporting store person, girl.

But I feel like this ordinance, this sign ordinance.

Is more for smaller.

Buildings. It's not for these, it's not meant. The ordinance

that we have is not meant for.

Large buildings. And when I look at my GPS, I'm

also, I'm a kinesthetic, I'm a visionary person.

So when I look at my GPS out of respect,

I look like, for example, the other day I was

in Verona and noticed because of the signage that there

was a Costco there and I thought.

Two weeks ago, two weeks after that, I went to

that Costco. And when I was in that area,

I the, I feel that signage is very important.

And it also

it's critical, especially when it comes to store branding for

branding strategists. And this is like the number three store.

When I believe when.

I wasn't on the council. Then when the Cabelas was

But I think you were number two at one time,

but that's because there was a growth of stores that

were being built. Of course, cuz I know I had

friends that came from other.

Other communities that were like two hours away.

That would come to the, oh, I'm going to some

PRAIRIE Cabelas and.

So, but I, I think Maureen, the issue at this

moment is I don't think it's gonna pass. Right, right.

So I think we've gotta figure out where we're going

with this.

Thing. So right. You have something in that regard, Brent?

I do. Yes.

Okay, so sorry.

So it sounds like they're may be some issues with.

The ordinance, as it relates to.

Big box stores. I'm wondering, should we table a vote

on this motion and have a referral?

For staff to maybe come up with an ordinance that

might take into account.

Big box stores. So when the next one is built

or the next.

Rebranding is done. We don't have to have the same

discussion up here about the ordinance.

But we're not gonna have too many left.

Terry don't we have a motion and a second on

the floor. We have to deal with that. We will.

We'll get there. Tina was making comments like she might

wanted to make a, an amendment to that motion.

Before, so I don't think we're done necessarily. I see

she's out there again. Her hand was up and then

it was down. And so I lost track of it.

But I don't think I see you, Tina.

I see you. I just don't think that we're headed

in a direction. We're going to approve this and.

Sometimes, maybe we don't wanna send a message of.

Not approving this. Maybe we wanna do something different, but.

Tina let's hear what you want.

my, my, I wonder part of the concern from what

I've been picking up from what's been expressed in the

public is.

Once again, going back to the light pollution. I know

I also wanted to get on my pedestal a little

bit earlier about the, the, the detriment.

Of, you know,

other living beings in our, in our world from like

pollution.

But I think if that's something that can be managed.

And we're good partners on that. I am. I see.

No.

Issue with the signs and the sign size. It's the

light.

That is what I'm understanding can be the pain point

for residents and individuals in that area. So I, I

Issue here is that it doesn't have five votes with

the number of signs and the sizes of the signs.

And I think somehow we've gotta figure that out.

I, I, I get that. What I'm saying is, is

that you were asking, what would it take? And I'm,

I'm sharing with you, what it would take for me,

for you. I get that. And she.

Indicated they're willing to work on the.

Lumens are they called? So Scott, where would we go

with this? I'm a bit concerned if we wanna review

the ordinance.

As it is that may take us longer and we

may leave bass pro shop in limbo on this.

City attorney wants to say something to.

Not only be a couple people left in this room

to speak. So let's hear from you Cathleen Stankey Mr.

Mayor. I do wanna point out that bass pro.

Shop submitted their application under our existing ordinance. So will

it still might be very prudent to take a look

at our code and review it going forward?

Any action that we take on my proposal right now

would ONEIDA be under the existing ordinance and I would

not recommend amending the ordinance solely to address.

One property, because I think then we could potentially run

into a litigation issue.

So help me with this Cathleen. If we let this

go to a vote and it fails.

What's our next step.

If we let this go to a vote and it

fails. I think our recommendation and Scott, you can correct

me if I'm wrong would be to work with bass

pro shops and sign.

Designer to come back with a proposal that they think

would be more likely to be approved by this body

based on the feedback they've heard this evening.

With all of the feedback, including the lumens.

Correct. So the lumens placement, whatever other concerns that were

raised raised by experiences or feet.

So, where are you with that? Does that sound like

the thing we wanna do? Do we wanna let this

go to a vote and fail?

Failed. And then we'll tell bass pro shop.

AMANDA that we aren't turning our backs on you.

We just want staff to work further with you.

And see if we can't get it within our parameters.

So I just wanna speak to currently I'm with the

construction schedule.

And the licensing agreement I'm supposed to have the tracker,

boats and ATV sign up on the building.

30 days prior to them bringing merchandise into the store.

Or their unlicensed to do that.

So this puts a incredible.

VIRDON on bass pro shops to have to wait to

bring in.

To turn over to retail and actually bring in merchandise

into the new.

Boat showroom and canopy that they're adding to the store.

So

light issues I can address.

Well, I think AMANDA, I turned that around to you.

If in, we meet again on November 1st.

So, if you could come to a conclusion with our

staff,

in that period of time. So they give us something

back that this body is going to accept.

Then it's, you're only being held off a couple of

weeks.

So I, I best pro shops has requested if at

all possible that I have signage installed prior to the

26th of this month.

So I'm up against a.

Rock and a hard place. Well, well, AMANDA appreciate, and

that's not, that's my issue, not yours, AMANDA. You know,

I understand that AMANDA. So could I.

Talk here for a moment because you're not gonna get

that approval tonight.

Understood. I understand that let's, let's come, let's come to

an understanding of what we can do.

And then you can go tell your people.

That it's it's coming. We just gotta make some more

amendments.

And we've gotta give up some things that they just

won't go for in Sun Prairie. You know, those Sun

Prairie people, we're prickly here in this C.

Community cuz we think we're special in this county.

And a lot of people don't like us.

In the state of WISCONSIN, you just gotta deal with

us, but what you want, isn't gonna pass tonight.

Well, can I ask, can I ask a couple quick

questions?

My one question would be.

Why, if it seems that best pro signage is being

Is within the, the according to.

The other stores it's kind of within that.

Position of signage.

We actually come and blow some of the other ones.

From what I heard. And we're only at 5.6% of

the building frontage.

To me, it seems more of the.

So, or the quantity of science seems more like the

issue versus the size, if you go by the 10%

of the allowance. So, so I think.

AMANDA. So I just looking to go back to bass

and be able to say, Hey.

Here's where we compare to the other stores and this

is why they won't allow our signs, but they've allowed

it for other locations. And I'm, I'm just looking to

have.A clear answer for them when I do that, so

that we can talk about how to make science closer

to code.

Okay, so that is gonna have to come from staff.

They can tell you cuz they can speak to the

ordinance. They can speak to the.

G D P and tell you about that and tell

you what this body is barking at.

But the nine of us sitting here are not gonna

give you those definitive answers this evening.

All we're gonna do is say what you have asked

us to approve. We aren't going to approve.

That's what we're gonna walk away with this evening. And

then tomorrow.

You're gonna have to work with.

Josh and Scott.

And whoever else in our planning department is on this

and, and get those.

Resolved and then we'll get it back here.

If it fits the ordinance, it'll get approved on November 1st,

the staff was thinking that, that it was appropriate, but

this body.

Isn't accepting it. So staff isn't going to.

Come back with what you want. We ONEIDA make some

adjustments to it.

And I understand that, but us being able to come

down to the 450 square foot is almost impossible to

even get the best pro logo in the outdoor.

World Xiong alone up on the building. Okay. That's that's

the reality of it and that's their standard branding. Okay.

Let alone the licensing.

Agreement that they have to have the tracker letter set

on the building. So I don't know how we're gonna

get down to that 450.

Square foot. Okay. All right. We're not gonna solve that

here tonight. We aren't the ones that know how to

do that.

Well, okay. We can keep talking about this. No, I

just have a quick question.

Since we're already here in a budget session next week,

could we have a special council meeting if this gets

resolved?

To expedite this for them.

Well, let's see if we get to that point. Sure.

Okay. You know,

Scott. Yeah, I just, I just wanted to clarify a

couple things if first of all, if they bring in

a signed package that complies.

No ONEIDA be here, right. The permit. Oh, okay. Would

get issued and all right. So I think if, if

the intent is to table this, to come back with

something else.

From a staff standpoint, we would appreciate some direction. Are

we looking for some compromise? That's somewhere.

Between that ordinance standard and what they're proposing or are

you looking for, you know, Scott, it's really a denial,

I guess that's, you know, Scott, what I'm hearing is.

They want no deviation from the ordinance.

That's what I'm hearing.

I don't hear anybody saying that's not just a little

too big, if that's the case. And, you know, we

see a, a package like that.

Then, you know, it would get approved at the staff

level with no ONEIDA come so soon. The city attorney

isn't gonna like this, but does anybody disagree with.

That, that if it complies with the ordinance as is,

then you won't even see it back here.

But anything more than that, you're never.

The sentiment tonight is you're never going to go with

that.

Is that kind of an interest I'm supportive of the

proposal we have right before you, so maybe we ought

to get a vote on this.

Definitively know where we're at.

And see what, where the, where we are with that.

And then we vote it down that Scott voting this

down, doesn't impede it coming back in a week or

two weeks or whatever does it.

I think it's voted down. I think they start all

over with a new application. If they want to propose

something else.

Unless the council would choose to make a motion to

reconsider.

Would it be better? Someone from the prevailing side, would

it be better than if we tabled it? It keeps

it alive again. If the intent is to.

To have them work on a compromise to come back

with something. But if that compromise, if, if all that's

going to be accepted is comply with the ordinance. There's.

No ONEIDA come back. So that's why I was kind

of looking for some parameters are you're looking for us

to.

You know, meet in the middle here or what are

we looking for? That that would be helpful to us

as staff to work with them, to, to work on

a revised. So if we want.

A little larger than the.

Ordinance that'd be a compromise. Huh? Sorry.

Don't know how we quantify that. I don't know where

we are.

You know, we're built to, we're built to answer yes

or no. We're not built to deal with all these

other.

Considerations. That's the problem, AMANDA. We can't help you with

that.

As city attorney, do you wanna say something?

Mr. Mary, if I may, I think what the community

development director was suggesting is that if this was rejected

this evening,

and bass wanted to come back with another proposal that

would deviate from the ordinance that would then ONEIDA start

over and go back through plan commission and then come

here. Correct.

That's correct. That's the way I would see it. Whereas

if this was not voted on tonight and bass wanted

to come up with an alternate proposal, there would be.

Two means either they could come up with a proposal

that complies with our ordinance, which would give staff the

authority to approve it consistent with our current signed permitting.

Policy or if they came up with the proposal that

had.

A variance, but different than the current variance that's being

requested, that could then be brought back before this body

and the additional step of another planned commission.

Not ONEIDA occur. So to, to do that, what's the

action we would take.

Right now, I think you can make a motion to

a table.

Okay. So

should we do that? Have a motion. Well, we, the

motion, a motion that table would take, take precedence over

a motion to, and you can do it any time.

Go into discussion on that motion. I'll, I'll make the

motion to table because some of, some of the things

I agree with on the building.

Is just, I do wanted to comply with the ordinance

and I do believe that they can accomplish that. Okay.

We've got a motion to second in this. We do

not discuss.

Right. We just vote. And do we, should we do

a roll call? Don't we have to say have a

specific time we table it to that'd be postponement. So.

It's Tabler postponement. Right? So table is indefinite. Postponement is

to a certain date. Okay. Yep. So table.

Is fine Steve seconds. And we.

We so we're tabling it.

And let's do the roll on that.

Jokisch hi.

McElroy. Aye. Stocker. Aye.

Virgil Bohling

aye Crombie. Aye.

Eisberner no.

Jacobs. Hi.

Alright, that motion table 7 1 7 to one. So.

So let's tell AMANDA where we go next with this.

So we need a proposal from them.

That comes back to staff.

Correct. So I would suggest Mr. Mayor, that bass pro

shops continue to work with staff on a proposal. And

if they present a proposal that Compli.

Complies with our ordinance staff has the authority under our

ordinance to approve that. And then the project will go

forward.

If they would like a variance and it's something that

after review staff believes is likely this body would approve

staff can then refer it back to this body for

their next council meeting. Okay.

AMANDA. Do you understand that? What the city attorney just

You might not like it, but do you understand it?

No. No. Yes, sir. I, I do understand it. I

just, I'm a little confused cuz I don't think we

have clear understanding.

And I don't know that.

The, you know, the planning members are able to give

me clear understanding.

On what I ONEIDA take back to bass pro, which

is confusing because if I go back to bass pro

again, and I say, we ONEIDA adhere to the current.

Code, although there's other locations.

The current location doesn't adhere to code there's other businesses

that don't adhere to code, but we're being made to

adhere to this code.

And we don't have any option. That's what it is.

We ONEIDA be able to adhere to the code in

order to, you know,

pass it through approval and get it through. And it

wouldn't even ONEIDA. Come back to you guys.

Then I think I ONEIDA understand.

Yes, what I'm presenting to them because I, I feel

like.

Like I said with the bass pro logo and the

outdoor world sign alone. Okay. We exceed that. So I'm

I'm and I'll work with them. I just don't know.

It sounds like they're not even really sure on where

that exactly compromised. Be exactly. To come back to this

board and ask for another variance. Yes. I think.

That's where it's not clear. So I apologize. Yes. But

I, I do understand the process, sir. I think we're

getting it clarified. It still, isn't absolutely clear, but I

think working with.

The staff is the way you have to go.

And you've heard some things, you know, what the, what

the desires of this body are.

Staff can help you a little bit with that. But

as they're suggesting, if you comply with the ordinance, then

it's, there's no issue.

And otherwise it's got to fit within.

Some smaller setup.

Within there. So

I think that's the best we can do for you

tonight, but we weren't gonna get it approved. Do you

wanna say something, Terry? I have a question.

When they came to the city, when bass pro shops

came to the city.

Were they told what the ordinances are.

We you pulled the ordinances. She said that in the

other location.

So, you know, so, so you knew in advance that,

that this was the ordinance.

Am I correct.

Yeah, we pulled the code check for all of the

locations. So this was one of 'em. There was a

lot of communication back and forth. Like I said, this

has been about three months or.

So, yeah. Going back and forth again, bass pro has

made.

Many concessions from the original drawing that was sent over.

And we, but, but you did understand what the ordinance

was to discuss it. Okay. Stankey so what we, what

we came up with.

Is what we thought would be a reasonable based on

Other previously approved variances, that exceed code for larger buildings.

What we came up with was what we thought was

a good.

Median to

what the board would entertain since they've entertained it for

previous locations. Yeah. So what you see is what we.

Have developed, we didn't just.

Yes, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Different circumstances, AMANDA.

Unfortunately, but we're not getting any further tonight. So work

with our staff.

And let's get this resolved. We want you to be

happy in this community.

Alright. So we are in our agenda. We are down

to referrals. I believe.

I lost my place here.

We are moving on AMANDA. So Stankey and Stankey Ryan

and Eric for being here with us this evening, referrals

to committee of the whole.

I didn't hear anything. Any announcements, anybody have appetite for

announcements anymore?

And if not a motion to adjourn, move to Adur

order. And a second, second, all in favor, indicate by

saying aye. Aye. Aye. Oppos. NA aye. Stand ad.

Adjourned Stankey all for your time. This evening.