Common Council Common Council, 10-17-23
Updated about 13 hours ago

October 17, 2023

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Protocols. We need that. Oh, and we have our state
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assembly representative. Somebody we hardly ever see. Melissa Radcliffe is.
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HERON the right side of the room.
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So Melissa, raise your hand so people can see you.
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It's significant.
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Melissa's right here.
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Melissa was elected in November.
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So she has been in that office now almost a
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year.
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And we see her here in Sun Prairie all the
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time. She lives.
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She'd lose. She says she lives in COTTAGE Grove. .
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She certainly could live here.
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She's here often enough.
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Of so, and that's our good fortune.
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And her predecessor was Gary Hebel and lived in this
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community. And we saw a lot of Gary as well.
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So she has a good person to follow.
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Good leadership there. We're very fortunate with that. And we
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also have a state Senator.
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Melissa guard that we see out here quite often.
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And that's a fortunate thing for our community. Sometimes those
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people aren't as visible.
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As they have been here.
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We are getting close to the end. I think.
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And while we're killing time, if anybody would like a
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state of WISCONSIN blue book,
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Melissa.
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Melissa has a bunch of 'em .
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Okay, so they'll have the contract.
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So are you ready to start? Yes. All.
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Right. So the city clerk has given us the go
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ahead. We're ready to go.
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So I'm gonna call to order the meeting of the
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Sun Prairie common council for the evening of October 17th, 2023.
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Let's get the roll.
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Was thinking, looks like Jokisch here.
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McElroy here, Stocker here.
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Virgil here. Bohling I can turn that here. Crombie here.
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Eisberner here, Jacobs here, and you have quorum.
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And everybody is here all eight of our city council
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members. Would you please rise and join me in the
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pledge of allegiance?
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I pledge allegiance allegiance to the flag flag of the
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United United States of America and to the Republic, which stands.
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God indivisible with LIBERTY justice for all.
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First item that we're going to have for action this
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evening is the consent agenda.
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And under the consent agenda under other.
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Consent agenda items.
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Letter G proving the contract for the zoning code rewrite.
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There's been a request that we pull that.
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So I'm going to ask for a motion to approve
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the consent agenda. Understanding the DG is not in there.
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McElroy moves to approve Jacob seconds.
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We have a motion and a second. All in favor.
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Bless favor by Saint aye. Aye. Opposed. Aye. Stankey we're
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eager.
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To get going tonight. So now we're back we're at
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the item that was pulled from the.
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Consent agenda that is approved.
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23 P L a 28 for zoning code rewrite.
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So
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maybe so
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Brent you asked for that. Would you like to hear
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a staff report on that? Or did you have something
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specific?
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On that.
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I don't need a staff report. The only question, well,
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I guess from staff or for staff I have is
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that we're hiring a company out of Cincinnati.
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Ohio to rewrite our code. And I'm just wondering if
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there was anybody.
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Closer. And perhaps in WISCONSIN that could assist with the
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zone rewrite, especially because.
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Part of the contract here says that it's going to
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require or portions of it are going to require.
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Our staff to help with because there are some states.
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State specific laws on that. So I guess, can you
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tell me how the bidding process or how this company
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was chosen?
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Sure Josh CLEMENTS is here as well. In case there's
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any further questions, he was more involved, but we submitted,
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or we issued an RFP for the project.
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And got two responses. One was zone Kooi. There was
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another firm. I can't recall the name right now.
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Neither. One of them were local firms zone code does
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have local personnel. So they have personnel working out of
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the Madison office. MSA is part of their.
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Project team and they have a.
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Public engagement firm out of Chicago. So there's some more
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Midwest and, and closer to WISCONSIN presence as well as
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Project.
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A follow up. So they are familiar with WISCONSIN zoning
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laws already. It's just, they're headquarters is in another state.
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Is that.
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The understanding, correct? I, yeah, they have representatives really all
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over the country. That'll be collaborating on the project, but
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the lead on the project is actually.
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Working out of Madison. All right. Stankey.
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All right. So how about a motion to approve this
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contract?
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So moved Stankey Jacob seconds. Second.
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In discussion on this motion.
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Is there any
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but only cuz I've seen this question come up if
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to follow up on Scott's point.
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I've seen this come up online a good bit. And.
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I was involved in some of the RFPs and we
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often have a.
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Give extra points to local contractors. Is that true?
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That's correct. And then
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obviously we have to follow the state.
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Procurement guidelines in these types of things also, is that
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right? So, I mean, it's, we're, we're generally following the.
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Same process as, yeah, we have our own process here.
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That, that guides that, but we do. Yeah. The finance
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department keeps us.
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On the straight and true there. So to make sure
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that we follow our guidelines.
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Thanks. Cause I I've seen this question come up a
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few times online. So I just wanted to throw that
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in there. Stankey sure.
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Any other discussion on this item?
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I see none. Let's get the roll.
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Jokisch
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aye. McElroy. Aye. Stocker. Aye.
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Virgil. Aye. Bohling
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aye Crombie. Aye.
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Eisberner aye. Jacobs. Aye. That passes eight zero.
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All right. So we are moving on to citizen.
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Appearances and public comment.
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This is an opportunity for anybody in the audience this
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evening.
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The wishes to address this body on an item that
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is not on the agenda this evening.
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And it would not involve the awards that were about
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to, to give out.
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But if there's another item you would like to address
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this body about.
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Please come to the podium, state your name and address
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and make your statement.
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I see nobody in the room and I don't believe
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there's anybody virtually wishing to address us. So we will
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move on from.
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There and we are at business of the mayor. So
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this is where we're gonna get into the presentation of
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the awards.
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And I have a proclamation, so I'm gonna come down
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to the podium.
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You're gonna be Kodak, Jack I know we'll try.
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Or wait, we have Ethan here. Ethan will take the
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picture. Are you gonna do the photos now? Ethan? So
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we should.
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Terry I said this, and then I forgot it because
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I didn't make a note about it.
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And you are going to introduce.
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Ethan. Would you do that while I try to figure
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out how to turn this on? Well, I think Ethan
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did a, I think Ethan did a really good job
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of.
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Going around and introducing himself, but ladies and gentlemen.
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This is Ethan Ferrell. Where are you? .
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This is Ethan Farrell.
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He is the, the new municipal.
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And county reporter.
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He will be hopefully.
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Sitting at that table for most of our committee of
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the whole and council meetings.
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Welcome Ethan. We appreciate you being here. Stankey I appreciate
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it.
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Great. Stankey Terry and I agree. Welcome Ethan. It's good
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to have you here with us.
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So I, first of all, have a proclamation.
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For the city's media.
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Center. Is there anybody here from the media center to
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receive this? Jeff? Oh, there's Jeff. I didn't see you
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before Jeff.
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So we, the other thing we would've done had you
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not been able to be here, we would've waited and
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I wouldn't wanna miss this. Well, we, when you come
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back.
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For our budget hearing. Right. We would've included this, but
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now we will do it.
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So I am going to read the proclamation.
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Presented to you and then give you the opportunity to
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say a few words.
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Stankey sir. All right. Your mic is on. It is.
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Yes. You could tell. I confirm that Stankey whereas governor
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Tony Evers says proclaimed.
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October 20th, 2023.
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Com community media day throughout the city, the state of
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WISCONSIN.
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And whereas the city of Sun Prairie features its own.
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Media center, the Sun Prairie Media Center.
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And whereas the Sun Prairie media center's mission.
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Is to educate, inform, entertain, and empower.
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Through programming and learning opportunities for all members of the
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community.
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And whereas the Sun Prairie Media Center.
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Is an active and dynamic media center.
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Welcoming the community to
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access access, engage, access.
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Engage and create entertaining and informative content.
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And whereas through programming the community gains a deeper understanding
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of their community.
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While expanding their Civic.
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Participation. And whereas on the occasion of the state of
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WISCONSIN, celebrating the hard work and importance.
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Of Wisconsin's media.
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Centers and encouraging all Wisconsinites to support their local media
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centers.
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And stay involved in community.
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Happening. And whereas it is most.
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Appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the Sun Prairie
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Media Center.
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Now, therefore I, Paul Esser by virtue, the authority vested
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in me as mayor on behalf of the city of
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Sun Prairie.
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Hereby recognizes October 20th.
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2023 as Sun Prairie.
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Media Center day, and I am gonna present this to
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the.
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Director executive director of the Sun Prairie Media Center. Do
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I have that title? Right? Sounds good to me. All
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right. so.
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And then I'll give you an opportunity, Jeff, to say
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a few words and then the city council's.
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Gonna want shake again? I just wanna thank everybody for
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coming out to see me tonight. you, you, you
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could have watched this on, could have watched this on.
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TV or listened to it on the radio, but I
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appreciate the, the in person support.
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Real quick. Cause I know there's a lot of business
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to get to. I just want to thank everybody who
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makes my job easier. Rachel Mara Collins and Dan in
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the back.
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And the media center commission. And of course, Mr. Mayor.
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And the, the fine folks on the city council. So
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Stankey very much for this.
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I think demon will
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so that was quick. I'm I'm looking at my notes
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here. So there are two sets of awards.
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That we're doing this evening. The first is the James
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J Reiner lifetime achievement awards.
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And there are three people that are going to receive
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those awards. So I will call you up one by
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one for that.
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And then after that, we're going to do the CHARLES
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Ashley awards.
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Let me tell you about the Reiner award. The, the,
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the award is given.
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To the city of Sun Prairie residence, whose efforts over
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several years.
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Deserve to be recognized.
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The nominating committee for the James J Reiner award.
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Consists of Amy McCutchen. And I believe Amy is on
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here with us.
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Okay. And the editor of the star and that position
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is empty. I don't know Ethan, if that's got your
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name on it next.
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But you got a year now to prepare and our
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city administrator is part of this. So they have selected.
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Three people this year, they nominated them.
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And the city council selected them as being worthy.
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Of receiving this award.
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And so Amy you're with us virtually. I understand there.
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I see you, Amy.
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So would you like to say something before I begin?
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Reading the bios of the people and giving them the
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awards.
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Amy you bet. I would. Stankey so much.
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Mr mayor.
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For having this, this evening and Stankey to the city
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council.
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For approving these three very deserving nominees.
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I was thinking about this and I do have to
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apologize for not being de being able to be there.
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I have injured my leg and I'm not able to
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drive and my husband's in the hospital. So I'm sorry
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about that. But.
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It, I would, I've been thinking about this award and.
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It brings back so many happy memories.
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About my dad.
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Volunteering was so important to him.
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Being a former member of the city council himself.
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And doing various
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activities throughout the community. He felt it was always very
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important to give back to your community.
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Because in the long run, it makes it a better
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place to live.
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And we have three very.
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Well disserving people who do just that or have done
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just that.
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By making some PRAIRIE, a better place. So.
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Stankey so much for all that you've done.
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Truly appreciate it. Well, Stankey, Stankey Amy. We're used to
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having you here, so we will miss you. Yes. This
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evening. Unfortunate, fortunate.
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You're able to be with us virtually.
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Yes. So we have three different people and each time.
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When I announce somebody, I'm gonna ask you to come
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up here.
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And if you have people with you, friends or family
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members that you would like to have join you up
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Please bring them up here with you.
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Then I'm going to, I've got a little bio for
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each of you. I'm gonna read that and I'll present
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you with the certificate.
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And then give each of the people.
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An opportunity to say a few words, if they wish
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to you, aren't required to.
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And then I'm going to ask you if you will
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go around and shake all the city council's.
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Hands so that they feel like they are a part
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of it. It isn't just left to us.
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So I'm gonna begin with the first of the James
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Reiner lifetime achievement awards and it is going to go
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to.
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LORI, Ken Delmore, please. ROSE.
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Oh, aren't they gonna come up?
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Nobody wants to come.
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Carol would come. You gotta stand here by me because
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you're gonna talk. Oh, when you're done said I didn't
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have to, well, you don't have to you don't
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To so she's joined by her husband and her daughter.
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So, let me read this, LORI.
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LORI is currently the vice president of the Sun Prairie
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education foundation and the vice president of the Sun Prairie
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optimist club.
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Yes.
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Audience participation.
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She serves on the police advisory board.
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Friends of the neighborhood navigators.
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And on the historical library and MUSEUM board.
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LORI is an active volunteer with the colonial club.
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East high school, Sun Prairie, United Methodist church.
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And for various city activities, including as an election worker.
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LORI previously served.
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As the chamber board secretary.
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Sound of Sun Prairie volunteer.
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And Kooi chaperone chair.
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The business education, partnership, board member.
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Which says previously, but you still serve on that, don't
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you, but I'm not an officially a board member.
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Oh, Sun Prairie, United Methodist board.
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And treasurer of the
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Prairie View middle school.
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S C O and the Sun Prairie high school. S
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C O.
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So you have been quite a.
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Contributor volunteer in this community and in recognition of that
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Lowrey.
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I'd like to present you with this.
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Award, and we will
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let Ethan take our picture.
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All right. And we're good. Super and I, you don't
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care to say any words? No, I will say so
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please. You know me please? Yeah, I know you.
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Yes. You know me very well.
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I I'm very honored.
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To receive this tonight. I had no idea this was
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coming.
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I love this community.
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This is I, I can't believe we're so lucky to
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be able to live here.
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And being able to volunteer with so many wonderful people
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on all these boards and things that he mentioned.
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I I'm just overwhelmed with the opportunity to be able
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to meet and work with all of you.
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Have anybody who doesn't live here should live here because
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it's the coolest place to live.
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And I appreciate very much the award Stankey.
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Now I'm gonna give you.
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So while she's making her rounds, I'm gonna call up
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the next person. And the next person is no longer
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with us, but I understand.
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His daughters are here, Tom Skinner.
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And Julie, okay, please.
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And hi. Hi. So you know them. Oh, they're gonna
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take pictures. So.
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Julie, Julie you're Julie and.
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Jean Jean Julie and Jean.
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Okay. Alright.
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Right. So
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so Tom, their dad, Julian jeans is no longer with
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us, but has been in this city a long time.
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And in fact, he used to walk.
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From CARRIAGE Hills to the telephone company. Mm-hmm I
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almost ran over him one time. probably you. I
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was backing. I lived on the corner.
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On Bristol street and I was backing out and not
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paying attention. It was dark and I almost ran over
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your dad, but you could sit, you could set your
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clock.
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By your dad. He was a great guy. So here
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I have some good things to say about him. Awesome.
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Tom was the founding member of the Sun Prairie Civic
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theater, Tom and his wife, Mary were active in the
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Sun Prairie Civic theater for over.
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40 years and was active in the community. He delivered.
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Four meals on wheels for the colonial club and volunteered
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with RSVP to drive people to medical appointments.
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Tom passed away peacefully on August 15th, 2023.
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So it's appropriate that we are remembering him and it's
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timely. It's sad, but it's timely. So I'm gonna present
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you with this.
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Proclamation. And then if one of you, or both of
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you would like to say something, you're welcome to do
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that. If you feel comfortable with that, Stankey.
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Stankey would you like to say something?
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Or you don't ONEIDA just Stankey Stankey to everybody involved.
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We just lost our dad a couple months ago. He.
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Loved this community. He loved this city.
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He, and my mother both she's been gone 10 years
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now, but they were so involved with volunteer work.
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And absolutely love this city and Stankey for honoring him.
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We really appreciate it.
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Next is Steve Pogue.
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I saw Steve and Darcy before there, Steve.
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Darcy wanna join you up here?
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Oh, is he, would he like to join us?
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He's good.
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thankfully, you didn't run over me while I lived. No,
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you never did like that. Steve and I worked together
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for a lot of years though.
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And
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well, we worked together for a lot of years. Very
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PLEASANT being associated with you.
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So Steve Polk, Steve is currently the Sun Prairie lions
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club.
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Diabetes chair.
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Global service chair and serves as the liaison to the
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WISCONSIN distributors for the bar stool open.
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And Groundhog open. Steve is an active participant in many
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regular.
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Lions projects and oversees the club's reading.
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Action program, where they donate funds for teachers to purchase
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And read to Westside and Northside kindergarten.
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Classes he's currently involved in efforts to collect plastic.
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Bags to be distributed.
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Be recycled into park benches and is close to the
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club, earning their third bench.
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Steve is also a trainer.
00:22:46
At the lions district level.
00:22:49
So Steve, I'm gonna present this proclamation or award to
00:22:53
you.
00:23:01
Would you like to see a few words? Just a
00:23:03
few.
00:23:06
First off Stankey it's very much an honor.
00:23:09
Amy Stankey and your family.
00:23:12
Your dad was a wonderful man.
00:23:14
I'd like to thank
00:23:17
the, the lions clubs, Sun Prairie lions. I've been Alliance
00:23:20
since 2000 and 2000 actually.
00:23:23
And now I'm more involved with some of the district
00:23:25
level things, but I enjoy it. I think everybody here
00:23:28
that's gotten an award. They, they.
00:23:31
Giving your time and effort is, is just.
00:23:34
Makes you feel well, so appreciate it. Stankey so much.
00:23:37
Stankey
00:23:50
so Stacy
00:23:51
Christenson Stacy.
00:23:54
All right.
00:24:02
You couldn't have gotten any further away. that's a
00:24:06
good one. Yeah. Well, we're calling you out.
00:24:08
On that. So now we're changing. We're going to be
00:24:12
talking about the CHARLES.
00:24:14
D Ashley award.
00:24:16
And so the Charlie
00:24:19
CHARLES D Ashley award to citizens of the city of
00:24:22
Sun Prairie.
00:24:23
As having done the most good for the city during
00:24:26
each year.
00:24:27
The nominating committee consists of.
00:24:30
The city council with advisory.
00:24:33
Help from the editor of the star. Do you see
00:24:36
a pattern here? Yeah, I bet they didn't tell you
00:24:38
about this. Did they?
00:24:40
And with the, with the vacancy at the star, the
00:24:43
current nomination committee.
00:24:47
Submitted nominees for the Ashley award. And there are three.
00:24:51
Four nominees. And the first one that I have here
00:24:55
this evening.
00:24:57
Is Stacy Christenson.
00:24:59
Sue Stacy is currently
00:25:02
the community school site coordinator at Northside elementary school.
00:25:09
All right. It's my family. Yeah, they can. I hear
00:25:12
that. Yeah. I can hear Darcy too. She taught.
00:25:15
There. And, you know, she wouldn't come up here, go
00:25:18
outside. Were you at Westside, but your son went to
00:25:21
Norris SAC. .
00:25:24
All right. Stacy was in the AmeriCorps for two years
00:25:27
and has worked in various community settings as a case
00:25:30
manager and client.
00:25:31
Volunteer services manager.
00:25:34
Stacy is an active volunteer with the Sun Prairie food
00:25:37
pantry.
00:25:38
Sun Prairie soccer booster club and the Alzheimer's association.
00:25:43
She has volunteered for national night out in One QBE,
00:25:47
big brothers and big sisters.
00:25:49
Habitat for humanity, boys and girls clubs, special Olympics, salvation
00:25:53
army.
00:25:54
And served on the border board of directors of NAMI.
00:25:58
Stacy led this year's effort to host SUN Prairie's first
00:26:02
ever.
00:26:03
Pride Fest and it was a big success. It was
00:26:06
a big effort. Yeah.
00:26:14
We as the city were very pleased with that, Stacy
00:26:17
and we appreciate the effort that you did. You had
00:26:20
a beautiful day, but.
00:26:21
It was a beautiful event. You filled.
00:26:23
The Wetmore park ground that day. That was just great.
00:26:27
So.
00:26:28
We very much appreciate what you've done for this community.
00:26:32
And now I want to present you with this award.
00:26:35
Stacy and we'll let
00:26:42
photographer. He's also the correspondent.
00:26:47
For this. Okay. All right. And would you like to
00:26:50
say a few words? Sure. Sure. Please, please. I'm not
00:26:53
as well polished as some of these folks without notes.
00:26:55
So when I first was nominated for this award, I
00:26:59
channeled my inner Lanis Morissette, and I thought, wow, this
00:27:02
is really.
00:27:03
Ironic to get an award.
00:27:05
For doing the most good because this year for me
00:27:08
has been full of some really unexpected challenges.
00:27:12
So I made a conscious decision this year to kind
00:27:14
of lean into those, the hurt and the hardship.
00:27:17
And not to avoid it. And that's a compartmentalize. It.
00:27:20
In fact, this past year after losing my mom, my
00:27:22
grief led me to loving others better.
00:27:24
And giving back to my community even more.
00:27:27
Being vulnerable in this way has allowed me to sew
00:27:29
up some of my wounds and honor the community work
00:27:31
that my mom also loved.
00:27:34
I'm thankful for hard times and loss and adversity, because
00:27:37
somehow in a truly unimaginable way to me, it's made
00:27:40
me a better person.
00:27:41
This award is a tremendous honor.
00:27:44
I also received this award, not only as an individual,
00:27:46
but as a collective, because a good leader surrounds himself
00:27:49
with great people. And I have a lot of my
00:27:51
great people.
00:27:52
Here. And I truly couldn't have made it through this
00:27:54
year without all of you. So Stankey and Stankey to
00:27:57
mayor and the city for allowing me to do really
00:27:59
great things. So lots more to come.
00:28:01
So Stankey great. Stankey
00:28:14
and next is Stacy's going around. Donna Mackey.
00:28:18
And
00:28:23
family members, anybody want to join?
00:28:26
Don up here.
00:28:28
My husband. Oh, good. Good.
00:28:31
Stankey Stankey
00:28:34
all right. So Donna Mackey.
00:28:37
Donna currently serves on the friends of the Sun Prairie
00:28:41
library.
00:28:42
Board Sun Prairie, historical library.
00:28:45
And MUSEUM board and co-facilitate the Sun Prairie public library's
00:28:50
book club.
00:28:51
Urban SUN KUHLE black voices book club.
00:28:56
She Kentucky conducts D E I workshops for public organizations.
00:29:01
And provides D E I and race.
00:29:04
Relations consultation.
00:29:06
Donna has previously served as Breyer patch, counselor and board
00:29:11
member.
00:29:12
Y w C a
00:29:13
facilitator and board member and member of the youth and
00:29:18
families commission.
00:29:19
Donna has organized various military.
00:29:22
Volunteer projects and works with various.
00:29:25
Church organizations. That's very impressive, Donna. And she is also
00:29:31
a very nice person.
00:29:44
Would you like to see a few words, Donna? Yes,
00:29:46
I would. Okay.
00:29:49
I would like to thank everyone.
00:29:51
Especially the council. This was a very big surprise for
00:29:54
me.
00:29:55
And I would especially like to say that when my
00:29:58
family moved here, we moved here 34 years ago.
00:30:02
We didn't think that Sun Prairie was going to be
00:30:05
our home. We had lived all over the world.
00:30:08
And when we got here, we found out that Sun
00:30:11
Prairie was very welcoming and we got a sense of
00:30:14
belonging.
00:30:15
And I like to say that a community is only
00:30:17
as strong.
00:30:19
As the people in the community.
00:30:21
And so I would like to really.
00:30:23
Challenge everyone in Sun Prairie to continue.
00:30:27
Helping people as they move to Sun Prairie, feel that
00:30:30
they do belong.
00:30:31
This can be a home for many people.
00:30:34
But I especially like to thank my family.
00:30:37
Because throughout all of this.
00:30:40
They have been very supportive.
00:30:42
And they've really encouraged me to do a lot of
00:30:45
the things that I've been doing.
00:30:46
Especially my husband. He always said that when he retired
00:30:50
from the military,
00:30:51
that it would be my time to do my thing.
00:30:54
And guess what? He's let me do that.
00:30:57
Stankey
00:31:02
and shake hands.
00:31:10
Stankey Stankey very much.
00:31:22
Stacy DAGA would you come up while we're.
00:31:39
My spotter.
00:31:42
Hi. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you doing?
00:31:44
I'm doing okay. I heard you were getting some repair
00:31:47
work. Yeah. So you can stay.
00:31:48
Hi RICKEL but I made it up here or you
00:31:50
can go sit down. It's okay. .
00:31:52
Let's keep 'em up for, we're gonna stay. We got
00:31:55
I head back surgery a week ago. So that's what,
00:31:58
yeah. Yeah. Okay. But you're doing good. You're up here
00:32:01
and I'm sure am nine feet. Okay. Well, let's read
00:32:03
about you here.
00:32:04
Oh, okay. I've got some nice notes that Sandy Jung
00:32:07
has put together. Do you know Sandy? I sure do.
00:32:09
Yeah. Sandy is a peach.
00:32:11
So sand Sandy. Well, we should do an award for
00:32:14
Sandy. Somehow. We should do an award for Sandy.
00:32:16
Stacy is currently the community school site coordinator for Westside
00:32:20
elementary. .
00:32:26
DC has been a part of several unique and critical
00:32:29
efforts to support Sun Prairie families, including.
00:32:32
Neighborhood outreach during the pandemic to serve hot lunches and
00:32:36
toiletries.
00:32:38
Wacky Wednesday, summer lunch programs.
00:32:41
And the, we are one family fund, which helps get
00:32:45
families, what they need.
00:32:46
She is active with her church and is a Sun
00:32:50
Optimist club member.
00:32:55
Stacy's previous volunteer service included Sun Prairie food pantry.
00:33:00
Some PRAIRIE, Y M C a and serving on the
00:33:03
advisory board.
00:33:04
Schools of hope tutor volunteer at Sun Prairie.
00:33:08
Area school district schools.
00:33:10
And the booster club for Sun Prairie.
00:33:13
East High School. So Stacy, I would like to present
00:33:17
this award to you. Stankey and we will get our
00:33:20
photo done.
00:33:36
I am. Well, yeah, you are good.
00:33:39
Stankey so much for the honor of this award. I
00:33:41
was very.
00:33:43
Surprised to receive it. And.
00:33:48
I'm super excited to share it with the fellow site
00:33:49
coordinator.
00:33:52
So I think that's pretty awesome. Right?
00:33:55
We've lived here a long time. I started thinking about
00:33:57
it when I knew I was going to be able
00:33:59
to make it and I didn't have to be on
00:34:01
that screen tonight.
00:34:03
We've lived here 25 years.
00:34:05
Same house, same neighborhood.
00:34:07
Our children went through these schools.
00:34:11
We, we truly love this community. We've seen a lot
00:34:14
of changes for the community.
00:34:16
And I, I think back to I had parents.
00:34:19
That instilled volunteerism.
00:34:22
My mom was the first one when there was a
00:34:23
new family to bring the panel lasagna and cookies.
00:34:27
To welcome them. And my dad, who was the Navy
00:34:29
seal.
00:34:30
He was in charge of our church, youth group, even
00:34:32
before he had his own children, which was crazy to
00:34:35
be with those teens, but they really.
00:34:37
Instilled in me that giving back to your community is
00:34:41
what it's all about.
00:34:42
Right. That's what we're put here to do is to
00:34:44
serve others.
00:34:45
And I hope that I've instilled that in my own
00:34:47
kids. I think I have.
00:34:49
They still give back to their own school and other
00:34:52
organizations that they're in. So, but I would not be
00:34:54
here without all my family and friends who are with
00:34:56
me tonight.
00:34:58
Stankey for coming.
00:35:00
The job that the other Stacy and I do is
00:35:03
long hours.
00:35:05
We're we're at school late at night. Sometimes some people
00:35:08
are like, do you just sleep at west side? Do
00:35:10
you have a Murphy bed or something? And I said,
00:35:12
well, I've got a husband that works.
00:35:13
At home. So that sort of saves our marriage because
00:35:16
I'm at Westside a long time.
00:35:18
And he can be at home, but I truly love
00:35:20
what I do.
00:35:22
Many of, you know, though there isn't, there is a
00:35:24
new chapter from Mrs. DAGA.
00:35:26
I am retiring at the end of the school year.
00:35:29
So, but it'll be okay west. Side's going be fine.
00:35:32
I'm gonna make sure of it. So.
00:35:34
There's some Minga new horizons for Mrs. DAGA coming up
00:35:36
too, but you have not seen the last Dimi. So
00:35:39
Stankey so much.
00:35:42
Mr Minga. Okay.
00:35:52
Debbie, Debbie.
00:35:55
Dauck Scheuerell Debbie there, you.
00:36:05
How are you tonight? Good. It's fun to have you.
00:36:08
Here Stankey
00:36:11
we don't usually get this many people turning out. Oh
00:36:14
no, look, they turn out. And the idea is they're
00:36:17
supposed to be one person, but they couldn't choose.
00:36:19
Oh, so they, that's why we've had so many today.
00:36:23
That's good. A lot of people. Yeah. A lot of
00:36:26
people are excited to be here. So next is Debbie
00:36:29
FOX Schrader.
00:36:30
Debbie is a member of the Sun Prairie rotary club,
00:36:33
which has spearheaded several projects at PATRICK.
00:36:37
Marsh to add a minted amenities. She currently serves as
00:36:41
the secretary for district 62 50.
00:36:44
Which is encompasses Sun Prairie. Excuse me, encompasses rotary clubs
00:36:49
in WISCONSIN.
00:36:51
In Southeastern Minnesota.
00:36:53
Debbie previously served as the president of the Sun Prairie
00:36:56
education foundation.
00:36:58
Debbie has been instrumental.
00:37:01
In supporting the city's efforts to transfer PATRICK.
00:37:05
Marsh to the city of Sun Prairie.
00:37:08
And I, Debbie want to present this.
00:37:11
Award to you. Let's get our picture.
00:37:14
And then
00:37:21
would you say a few words for us? Sure. And
00:37:24
then shake hands with the city council. Of course.
00:37:29
I wanna thank everybody as the, some of the other
00:37:32
recipients said, this came as a complete.
00:37:34
Shock to me.
00:37:37
And I could think of a lot other, other deserving
00:37:41
people. So it was really nice to see those people
00:37:43
here tonight. .
00:37:45
It's you know,
00:37:48
I'm I would just reiterate what people said, but we
00:37:51
do what we do.
00:37:52
Except I'm the one who gets choked up. We do
00:37:55
what we do because we love it.
00:37:58
Working
00:37:59
with the education foundation and rotary has been.
00:38:03
A true delight that I've been doing for many years.
00:38:05
And.
00:38:06
As Stacy said, I, I wasn't born here in this
00:38:08
community, but.
00:38:10
I've lived here for over 30.
00:38:13
Three years. My husband went to school here in Sun
00:38:15
Prairie.
00:38:16
So it is a wonderful place to call home. We're
00:38:19
lucky to have such.
00:38:22
Gracious people within our community with their resources.
00:38:25
And their time and their talent, and I've just really.
00:38:29
Honored to accept this award.
00:38:33
Stankey nice to have you here.
00:38:49
Stankey take
00:39:08
that completes our awards this evening, we are going to
00:39:12
move on with our meeting and you are certainly welcome
00:39:15
to stay.
00:39:16
But if you wish to leave now would be a
00:39:18
good time. .
00:39:22
So you can get out quietly and we'll wait until
00:39:24
you.
00:39:25
Do that? No.
00:39:28
No, it really isn't. But.
00:39:30
If they want to, they can stay.
00:39:40
Stankey Amy.
00:39:41
For being here with us this evening.
00:39:44
We'll see you next year. Maybe you can be here
00:39:46
in person then.
00:39:47
Good deal. Yeah.
00:39:49
Thanks, Amy.
00:39:52
Stankey so much and I will definitely be there next
00:39:56
year.
00:40:15
So he doesn't want to.
00:40:16
Stay either for this? No, he doesn't wanna stay.
00:40:19
all right. We are going to move on with our
00:40:21
agenda.
00:40:23
And now we're at committee.
00:40:24
Reports. And the first one is committee of the whole
00:40:28
Terry.
00:40:30
Stankey Mr. Mayor.
00:40:32
What I have to report on is the employment contract.
00:40:36
For our city administrator.
00:40:38
Earlier this evening.
00:40:41
Enclosed session, the council reached consensus.
00:40:45
On the city administrator's contract.
00:40:48
And compensation plan, the contract will extend it to.
00:40:53
14 years and his salary for 2024. This is his
00:40:57
entire benefit.
00:40:58
Package will be $215,406 and 82 cents.
00:41:06
And I will make that motion.
00:41:09
I will second a second. And we're into discussion on
00:41:12
that item. Is there any discussion Stankey Ryan for closing
00:41:16
the door?
00:41:17
any discussion.
00:41:19
See none. Let's get the roll.
00:41:22
Jokisch aye. McElroy. Aye.
00:41:25
Stalker. Aye. Virgil. Aye.
00:41:28
Bohling aye. Crombie. Aye.
00:41:32
Eisberner aye. Jacobs. Aye.
00:41:35
That passes eight zero. And then we are going down
00:41:39
to plan commission, Maureen. I didn't make my notes.
00:41:44
Are you the person
00:41:45
are you the older I'm planned commission from the council?
00:41:48
Yes. So would you please present this item and.
00:41:51
There are, I've got two comment cards and also AMANDA
00:41:55
O'Hara.
00:41:56
Is on here and wishes to address us on this.
00:41:58
Okay.
00:41:59
Stankey your honor. So on Tuesday.
00:42:02
October 10th, the planning commission held a public meeting.
00:42:05
To consider a request by bass pro spot or shops
00:42:08
for approval of a precise implementation plan.
00:42:11
Amendment to increase the quantity and size of a loud
00:42:14
wall signage.
00:42:16
Located at 1350 CABELA DR. Drive.
00:42:20
So the commission considered the recommendation from staff.
00:42:23
Concluding that the requests completes.
00:42:26
The, with the, or complies with the requirements of the
00:42:30
general development plan.
00:42:32
And other applicable plans and regulations provided.
00:42:35
The conditions of a par of approval.
00:42:38
And met in full by the applicant.
00:42:42
After reviewing the request, a motion to approve the requested
00:42:45
P I P.
00:42:46
Amendment failed on a vote of four to one with
00:42:50
two people.
00:42:51
Two commissioners that abstained from the vote.
00:42:56
So basically section 2.4 0.040.
00:43:01
Of the municipal code requires a majority.
00:43:04
Of all the members of the commission. So commission five
00:43:07
to take action on any item.
00:43:09
Therefore the request was forwarded to the planning commission or
00:43:14
from the planning commission with no recomme.
00:43:16
Recommendation, but I am going to based on.
00:43:21
Staff recommendation and the vote and Tuesday night.
00:43:24
I'm gonna make a recommenda or I'm going to.
00:43:27
Make recommendation that we approve.
00:43:30
The the bass pro spot or shops P I P.
00:43:34
So we've got a motion to approve. Is there a
00:43:36
second?
00:43:38
Second second. So now we're gonna go into discussion.
00:43:42
And we have
00:43:44
Amy, AMANDA, excuse me, AMANDA. O'Hara.
00:43:48
From bass pro shop that wishes to address us.
00:43:51
And then I have two comment cards. So.
00:43:54
AMANDA. Do you want to make your presentation to us?
00:43:59
Yes, sir. May I first off, I wanna say Stankey
00:44:03
because I joined in early enough to see the award
00:44:05
presentation.
00:44:07
Clearly, you guys have some amazing members of your community
00:44:10
who volunteer a lot of their time. And it was
00:44:12
very humbling to watch.
00:44:14
Some of their stories and, and hear about them. So
00:44:16
Stankey for that.
00:44:19
Secondly, I just wanna kind of, for those who were
00:44:22
here last week again, I'm AMANDA.
00:44:23
It's nice to see you guys again. And for those
00:44:25
who are not, I can introduce myself.
00:44:28
I'm the senior project manager.
00:44:30
For bass pro shops responsible for handling the bass pro
00:44:34
shops. Cabela's rebrand project. That's currently taking place across the
00:44:38
country in the us.
00:44:40
And obviously I'm here representing BAS pro shops. I'm an
00:44:43
attendance there in person is Mr. Eric ROSE is a.
00:44:47
Or he's with side effects. He's our local partner. Who'll
00:44:49
be installing the.
00:44:51
Location for us and Mr. Ryan Roberts, who is a
00:44:54
general manager for the Sun Prairie bass per shops as
00:44:57
well.
00:44:58
Both are here to help answer any questions that you
00:45:00
know, the council may have. I believe Mr. Roberts may
00:45:03
have even prepared a statement for support of the signage.
00:45:06
That he may like to share. I just wanted to
00:45:08
kind of touch base on.
00:45:10
Best pro shops. What they're doing, what their intentions are.
00:45:15
So bass pro shops is recognized internationally as one of
00:45:18
the most identifiable brands due to both the grandeur of
00:45:21
Well, as the standardized nature of their branding throughout all
00:45:24
of their current locations.
00:45:26
I mean, it's important for bass pro shops to maintain
00:45:29
this standard level of branding.
00:45:32
Bass pro shops has initiated a rebranding to, of all
00:45:35
their acquired Cabot stores across the us.
00:45:37
And Canada, and they're looking to implement the standard branding
00:45:40
across those locations as well. For consistency in branding.
00:45:46
I mentioned this last week, and I know that there's
00:45:48
many people on this board that were not in that
00:45:50
meeting last week, that the rebranding of the.
00:45:53
Sun Prairie location is no exception.
00:45:55
This store was actually identified as one of the highest
00:45:58
priority stores. Number four, up top of a list of
00:46:01
86 locations that are being rebranded.
00:46:04
So therefore it's like P pivotal.
00:46:06
In setting the rebrand standards for going forward.
00:46:10
It's extremely exciting for bass pro shops, obviously. And in
00:46:14
addition to the existing building, signage being rebranded here, I'm
00:46:17
sure all of you.
00:46:18
Are aware this location is expanding with a boat, new
00:46:20
boat canopy.
00:46:22
Showroom and a service center for boats, meaning new products.
00:46:26
Services creation and new jobs within the city. And of
00:46:29
course, new customers.
00:46:30
All of which are gonna positively affect not only bass
00:46:33
pro, but the city of Sun Prairie and the residence
00:46:35
as well with all of the fueling of ample tax
00:46:38
dollars back into.
00:46:39
The community in the past few months, we've worked really
00:46:43
closely with the planning department to propose signage as close
00:46:46
as possible to allowable code.
00:46:48
And yet still allow bass pro shops to have their
00:46:50
standard required branding.
00:46:52
As a result is the drawing that you guys are
00:46:54
seeing here in front of you this evening.
00:46:58
In addition to the drawing. I know that Mr. ROSE
00:47:01
provided two additional packages, counsel.
00:47:04
One's a visual package showing the samples of signage.
00:47:07
That had been installed at other locations.
00:47:10
As recommended by the board last week.
00:47:12
And the second package are photos of the existing elevations
00:47:15
and signage for this particular store is just a quick
00:47:18
visual reference.
00:47:19
I'm happy to run through both of those documents if
00:47:21
you'd like, but essentially we're here. We're kindly asking that
00:47:25
the council please consider approving the requested variance.
00:47:27
Is presented. I'm happy to answer any questions that you
00:47:31
may have about the proposed signage. And I would also
00:47:33
like to open it up to Mr. ROSE and Mr.
00:47:35
Should they have anything to add, but Stankey for the
00:47:39
opportunity and the time tonight to review this.
00:47:41
Okay, AMANDA, let's hear from Ryan.
00:47:44
He wishes to speak. I've got a comment card from
00:47:47
him where he indicated he wishes to speak to us.
00:47:50
So Ryan, if you would come up and introduce yourself,
00:47:54
and make your statement to this body.
00:47:57
And then when we get the statements in, then we'll
00:48:01
open it up for discussion and there may be questions
00:48:04
directed to.
00:48:05
You or to Ryan or Eric?
00:48:08
As well, so please
00:48:12
I may have turned that off.
00:48:14
Ryan, I loud. It, it, we need it for the
00:48:19
TV audience.
00:48:20
So it isn't just us got you in this room.
00:48:22
So the green light is on now. Yeah. You tell
00:48:24
us my first time speaking up here. So it's all
00:48:26
new to me. okay.
00:48:28
Okay. My name's Ryan Roberts. I'm the gentle manager of
00:48:30
the SUN prey store. I actually gentleman manager of the
00:48:32
Richfield store too.
00:48:34
I just wanna talk about a little bit, why I've
00:48:36
been asked to come up and that's about what we
00:48:38
do for the community versus much more about all the
00:48:40
construction pieces, but the re.
00:48:42
Rebranding of bass pro and what it does.
00:48:45
For some PRAIRIE in the community is quite as substantial.
00:48:49
And I just wanna bring up some of the points.
00:48:51
So as we go through, as we talk about Johnny Morrison,
00:48:54
how dedicated it is to the foundation of donating back
00:48:57
to hunting and fishing, the wildlife community.
00:48:59
It trickles down to the stores.
00:49:01
This year alone as we grow in Sun Prairie, we've
00:49:05
donated over $7,000 to any local.
00:49:08
Community and organizations on the store level, where it comes
00:49:11
out of the store sales and profit.
00:49:14
We also have donated $7,000.
00:49:16
This year to 5 0 1 organizations to support the bigger part
00:49:21
of Sun Prairie and some outlying communities.
00:49:24
I think the biggest thing that I wanna put out
00:49:26
about Sun Prairie and what the impact we have.
00:49:29
Is the passion of our customers shopping, donate when they
00:49:32
go through the registers.
00:49:34
30% of our triad transactions this year had some kind
00:49:37
of donation attached to it. This donation's anywhere from a
00:49:40
penny to a dollar.
00:49:41
Sometimes a little bit more, depending on the customer wants
00:49:43
to donate more of that 30, 30% that is.
00:49:48
$64,000 that we have raised this year.
00:49:51
To that actual funnel back into the SUN ferry communities,
00:49:54
the organizations.
00:49:56
In the city, as well as the outlying areas.
00:49:59
It's a very impactful, very impactful store out of the
00:50:02
region. Sun Prairie sits third in the region for the
00:50:04
dollars donated and the amount that is actually.
00:50:06
Rounded up for the transactions.
00:50:10
We get donations. And I got a few donations that
00:50:13
I'd like to, to highlight like the Sun Prairie, fire
00:50:16
and rescue.
00:50:17
Sun Prairie area school district. We donated that one was
00:50:20
kind of fun because it was for the kids' camp,
00:50:22
summer camp for a fishing camp.
00:50:24
Very nice. Make a wish foundation.
00:50:27
Wildlife society.
00:50:28
Dane county pheasants forever. Sun Prairie, archery booster club.
00:50:32
Outdoor HERITAGE education center. That's just a few of the
00:50:36
30 plus stores or organizations that we distributed to this
00:50:39
year.
00:50:40
Some of the other fun stuff that we do for
00:50:41
the community. We do a lot of kids sponsor stuff
00:50:44
at the stores.
00:50:45
We have a fish and classic, which is huge fishing,
00:50:48
WISCONSIN.
00:50:49
We actually have a finishing kids classic every year where
00:50:51
we bring a, a pool in and actually fill it
00:50:54
for full of whether it's crappy or bluegill.
00:50:57
And actually have a kid, some kids actually fishing for
00:50:59
the first time, get to come out, experience that with
00:51:01
their parents. You should see the faces light up when
00:51:03
they're actually out there fishing.
00:51:05
Some of the other things we do for families in
00:51:07
the, in the, in the community is we actually have
00:51:09
several times we do out three year, we go out
00:51:11
free photos of events.
00:51:13
The biggest one obviously is coming up with Christmas. Any
00:51:15
family that shows up has a free photo with Santa.
00:51:18
We also have Thanksgiving. We also do Easter. And I
00:51:22
think one of the fun ones that you'll be surprised
00:51:24
at is we actually have dog day where people bring
00:51:26
In and hundreds of dogs running around that get kind
00:51:28
of messy, but that is a huge one as well.
00:51:31
So as the store itself. Yes. The rebranding is big
00:51:34
because bass pro shops is what is, is all about
00:51:37
is the funding of the outdoors. So I just wanna.
00:51:40
Show a little bit of time. I'll give you what
00:51:41
we do at Sun Prairie. And it is growing, being
00:51:44
third in the region. And 30% of our, our transactions
00:51:47
is huge, huge dollars.
00:51:48
Coming back to the community. Great. Stankey Stankey Ryan.
00:51:52
And Eric, I've got a comment card from you saying
00:51:55
that you're available to answer questions. Did you have something
00:51:59
you wish to say to us?
00:52:01
Would you come up and introduce yourself? Eric? My name's
00:52:04
Eric ROSE. I'm the project coordinator and permit. Expeditor.
00:52:08
For sign effects in Milwaukee. Okay. Partnered with Semmann. We're
00:52:12
gonna do the install work for this project. Okay. All
00:52:15
right. There's not a lot. I can add.
00:52:17
AMANDA and okay. Ryan are a tough act to follow,
00:52:20
but.
00:52:21
Only thing I would add is that from a signed
00:52:23
standpoint, as a signed guy, I've looked at these signs,
00:52:26
I've seen these go up and, and.
00:52:29
Pro shops spent a lot of time.
00:52:31
And effort they've really put together a good product that
00:52:34
they put on their buildings. These aren't an inferior sign
00:52:36
whatsoever in any manner.
00:52:38
They're a good quality.
00:52:41
Okay. And signage program. All right. Good.
00:52:44
Stankey Eric. Mm-hmm . Now let's go into discussion on
00:52:48
this item. Is there discussion Terry?
00:52:51
Stankey Mr. Mayor.
00:52:53
Sun Prairie community is certainly glad to have bass pro
00:52:56
shops. I am.
00:52:58
Very very pleased that you are so involved in the
00:53:01
community and donating back.
00:53:04
However
00:53:06
I spoke to this request last week.
00:53:09
At planning commission.
00:53:12
We have ordinances for a reason.
00:53:15
And if we're not gonna follow the ordinance, there's no
00:53:17
point in having an ordinance.
00:53:19
There are too many signs in this community.
00:53:22
So many in fact that people don't even see some
00:53:24
of them. Did I understand that you were.
00:53:27
Third in
00:53:30
donations? No, no third in the region for.
00:53:34
For sales, then I would say that your clientele know
00:53:37
exactly where to find you. Sorry. Doesn't donation.
00:53:44
Mr mayor. He should probably come to the podium. So
00:53:46
the audience can hear what he's saying. Yeah, it probably
00:53:49
won't be the only questions he has. Okay.
00:53:51
Yeah, start all over with that, Ryan, you would sorry.
00:53:53
Stankey I apologize.
00:53:54
It's third in donations. So all the customers that shop
00:53:57
us, they donate per transaction. They have an opportunity to
00:54:01
give back to the community.
00:54:03
And, and organizations locally.
00:54:05
On our sales. We're a third in the region, as
00:54:07
far as our community and our customers donating back to
00:54:10
the community that we have funds to give back to
00:54:13
the community. So it's not.
00:54:14
The total sales, it's the dollar amount that customers are
00:54:16
giving when they go through the transactions.
00:54:18
Okay. Stankey for the clarification Stankey we certainly appreciate having
00:54:23
a business in this community.
00:54:24
That gives back to the community on a regular.
00:54:26
Basis, but as I was stating.
00:54:30
If I know that
00:54:33
Cabela's is well known.
00:54:35
I'm not a sports person.
00:54:37
But I know bass pro shops.
00:54:40
I mean, you, you market yourself a lot.
00:54:43
And I know, I know of bass pro shops.
00:54:47
I don't know how the, the size of the sign
00:54:50
or the number of signs that you're adding.
00:54:53
Or that you're asking to add is going to make
00:54:56
a difference.
00:54:57
In people finding you
00:55:00
a majority of adults, if they're looking for a destination.
00:55:04
They're using their iPhone. They're using their iPhone maps app.
00:55:09
To find a destination. I also wanna mention that.
00:55:14
Our economic coordinator.
00:55:16
Head of our economic development coordinator coordinator.
00:55:20
In Sun Prairie.
00:55:22
A couple weeks ago, spoke to rebranding rebranding of the
00:55:26
city.
00:55:27
And at that time, she did make the, the comment
00:55:31
People don't see the signs in this community.
00:55:34
Because they're not strategically placed.
00:55:38
More is not
00:55:39
always better.
00:55:42
I, I don't.
00:55:44
I don't want you to think that I am not
00:55:46
appreciative of you being here.
00:55:49
Of your business.
00:55:51
I know that you're gonna be very.
00:55:53
Successful here.
00:55:56
But I do feel that we have an ordinance in
00:55:58
place for a reason.
00:56:00
And to change that ordinance.
00:56:03
For one business does not make sense to me. All
00:56:06
that's gonna lead to is setting a precedent.
00:56:09
Stankey for your time and welcome to the community. Stankey
00:56:12
you're welcome. Stankey if I, if I may, can I,
00:56:15
can I address, can I speak to the.
00:56:17
Code versus the signage and what we're looking at, you
00:56:20
could. Okay. So if you look at the front elevation,
00:56:22
for instance, that would be sign 1, 2, 3, 4.
00:56:25
And six on the east front elevation.
00:56:28
Okay. So based on the code of allies, we're allowed
00:56:31
10% of the building frontage. No greater than 450 square
00:56:34
foot.
00:56:35
I understand that code. I understand that it makes sense,
00:56:38
especially on the smaller type buildings.
00:56:40
But this is based on building frontage. And this building
00:56:42
frontage is 14,350 square foot.
00:56:46
We're only proposing and I say only, but we're proposing.
00:56:49
807.9 square foot of signage on the front elevation. So
00:56:53
we're currently only asking for.
00:56:55
5.6% of signage coverage on the front of that building.
00:56:59
Versus a 10% that the code allows.
00:57:02
That we are missing. So where we're falling short is
00:57:04
the 450 square foot maximum that we're allowed, but we
00:57:08
really are only asking for 5.6.
00:57:10
Of the building in relation to the building frontage square
00:57:13
footage.
00:57:15
Some additional things. I, I just wanna note is that,
00:57:18
you know, and I mentioned this during last meeting, you
00:57:20
know, best pro shots made some concession.
00:57:22
Concessions on their standard signage package. It's important that they
00:57:24
have their standard signage. As Josh mentioned last week to
00:57:28
the.
00:57:29
Board and I'll just kind of reiterate it. The tracker,
00:57:32
boats, the Cabelas, the redhead letters that these are all.
00:57:36
Partners. It's a it's Enger.
00:57:40
To have them on the building.
00:57:42
And in reviewing this, they eliminated fast pro shops, eliminate
00:57:46
it to eliminate it signs from their initial proposal of
00:57:48
their typical branding for the front of the store.
00:57:51
Just to show their willingness to work with the planning
00:57:53
department and get as close to the allowable square footage
00:57:55
as possible.
00:57:58
On the existing photo package. I also wanna speak about
00:58:01
visibility specifically for this front elevation.
00:58:05
If you look at the photos of like page one,
00:58:08
two, and three of the existing signage photo package in
00:58:10
the visual that, you know, we provided.
00:58:13
You'll see the visibility from the front.
00:58:16
Elevation to the closest edge of south grand AVE. The
00:58:19
VILLAGE visibility point is estimated like 900 and or 984
00:58:23
foot from the front of the store.
00:58:25
To the proposed signage. So it's a thousand feet.
00:58:28
The signs, you know, you could see the scale of
00:58:31
the current signage versus the visibility standpoint. And we provided
00:58:35
photo samples of the.
00:58:36
Signs installed on another location. You can see the signs,
00:58:39
as Eric mentioned are very well constructed, beautifully crafted.
00:58:43
And given the sizing and grandeur of this particular building
00:58:46
with the visibility distance, we believe the signage proposed for
00:58:49
this location is very well sized.
00:58:51
And very proportionate to the overall size of the building.
00:58:55
The the
00:58:56
con the question of quantity.
00:58:59
So code allows three signs. We have it listed as
00:59:03
five signs that we're proposing. So we're asking for two
00:59:06
over.
00:59:07
Technically on a typical building, the best pro logo in
00:59:10
the outdoor world cabinet.
00:59:12
Or actually considered one sign, but because they are installed
00:59:16
on two different planes on this building because of how
00:59:18
it's.
00:59:19
You know how the building was built.
00:59:21
We had to go to them as two signs.
00:59:25
And obviously square footage wise. If we listed them as
00:59:28
one, we had to calculate the overall square.
00:59:32
Footage based off the outdoor world cabinet versus individually.
00:59:36
So I just wanted to kind of touch on that.
00:59:40
I can also touch on the west elevation.
00:59:43
I know that the current west elevation letter set, you
00:59:45
can see that on page four of the visual.
00:59:48
That letter said is a legal nonconforming sign as it's
00:59:51
permanent. It was permanent prior to being face prior to
00:59:54
the.
00:59:56
Adjacent property being zoned, residential.
00:59:59
However bass pro shops, the moment they heard this.
01:00:03
Very quickly agreed with planning in the interest of the
01:00:06
community and the residents in the area to not only
01:00:08
remove the elimination, the, you know, the illumination of the.
01:00:11
Sign, but to remove the bass pro shops branding altogether
01:00:14
from that elevation and they simply proposed like a non
01:00:17
illuminated boat service sign.
01:00:20
The sign is an incidental wayfinding for informational. It's an
01:00:23
informational sign.
01:00:25
And its purpose is just to clearly identify the boat
01:00:28
service area for customers mm-hmm . So not only on
01:00:32
that elevation, did they.
01:00:33
Eliminate eliminate all the elimination, but what they're proposing on
01:00:37
that elevation.
01:00:39
Reduces the square footage of signage by 135.07 square foot.
01:00:45
They also reduce square footage, square footage of signage on
01:00:48
the north elevation by 78.9 square foot. So we're asking
01:00:53
Two signs on that side of the building. We're code
01:00:55
only allows one, but again, we're reducing the square footage.
01:00:58
Versus what's currently on the elevation. So bass pro's made
01:01:01
a lot of concessions with the signs in hopes to
01:01:04
get it down to as close as code as possible.
01:01:06
Still maintaining their standard branding and visibility.
01:01:10
So let's AMANDA.
01:01:12
Hear, if there is more discussion.
01:01:14
Okay. And then see where that takes us.
01:01:17
Brent. Thanks.
01:01:21
I share older McElroy's concern about deviating from the ordinance
01:01:26
and allowing this.
01:01:28
Because this is a heavily commercial area that it's being
01:01:31
There's a target, a Costco, a Woodman's and all these
01:01:34
other stores around there.
01:01:36
That are following the ordinances. At least to my knowledge
01:01:39
in my concern is okay. We make some deviations for
01:01:42
bass pro shop and then we're approach.
01:01:44
Approached by the other retailers and it comes to the
01:01:46
sign pollution that ALDER McElroy alluded to. So that is
01:01:50
my hesitancy on this.
01:01:52
And if I could
01:01:55
and I guess I should have started with this. I
01:01:57
love the store. I spend a lot of money there
01:01:59
and have the black card. So I really enjoy that
01:02:02
location.
01:02:03
I spend a lot of time there.
01:02:06
But you referenced the east front visual from south grand
01:02:10
avenue.
01:02:11
And from the picture that is provided to us, I
01:02:13
do see that the, the signage is a little.
01:02:16
Difficult to see from that point in grand avenue.
01:02:19
But isn't that why you have, I believe it's signed
01:02:22
12, which.
01:02:23
Is conveniently not on the picture, but.
01:02:26
Just slightly up the road. It's a big Cabelas, which
01:02:29
would be now bass pro shop sign to direct people
01:02:31
to that location.
01:02:34
I guess, why do you need the large storefront sign
01:02:37
and the large sign on the intersection?
01:02:40
Again, I'm, I'm, don't run your business, but I, I
01:02:43
just think.
01:02:44
The large sign 12.
01:02:46
Helps alleviate the concern from page three.
01:02:50
The east grand visual we have here.
01:02:53
So, those are just my thoughts. I know there weren't
01:02:55
any questions, but now a question for AMANDA.
01:02:59
I was looking through the packet where provided, and it
01:03:02
says the following very variations from the Prairie Lakes, GDP,
01:03:06
and.
01:03:07
The zoning ordinance was requested.
01:03:10
Have you had to have conversations with.
01:03:13
The developers of Prairie Lakes regarding the signage.
01:03:17
So we had, yes, I can. I can. Absolutely. I
01:03:19
can answer that. So,
01:03:20
we had to obtain landlord approval and submitted that we
01:03:24
were on an earlier board meeting.
01:03:26
And I was not aware that the developer had to
01:03:30
approve the signage as well.
01:03:33
And best per we've received the letter that they did
01:03:36
not. And bass pro actually made further concessions on their
01:03:39
signage.
01:03:40
Including making sign number and forgive me, cuz I don't
01:03:43
wanna misstate the sign number.
01:03:46
Show sign number.
01:03:49
10, I believe it. Well, yep. Sign number 10 was
01:03:52
actually originally illuminated in one of the further concessions we
01:03:54
made was to make that not illuminated.
01:03:57
And more of a dimensional sign to the face.
01:04:00
At the developer's request.
01:04:02
So with a couple more concessions, we were able to
01:04:06
get back into the meeting and have their blessing on
01:04:08
the signage as well. Okay. And did.
01:04:10
The developer approve these plans.
01:04:14
Yes.
01:04:15
Okay. I spoke with the developer and.
01:04:19
For public record, it is not approved. They removed the
01:04:23
one or their objections. They had to the signage. So
01:04:26
I'm concerned as well that we're being told.
01:04:27
That the developer has approved it.
01:04:30
When in fact they removed the current objections specifically with
01:04:33
related to the lighting. That's all I have.
01:04:36
Okay. So I apologize.
01:04:38
If I misinterpret that, but as I was told that
01:04:41
all the objections were removed and I was under the
01:04:43
impression it was approved. So if there's something outside of
01:04:46
that, that I'm.
01:04:47
Not aware of, I apologize. That was not communicated to
01:04:49
me. That's right. Stankey.
01:04:51
Steven Stankey your honor.
01:04:54
Yeah, Josh. I was wondering if you could come off
01:04:56
a mute, please. I've got a question question or two
01:04:58
for you.
01:05:00
You you Josh it's there? No CLE. Yes, sir. No.
01:05:04
Josh Clement, our planning director.
01:05:07
Yes, sir. Yes. Okay. Thanks Josh.
01:05:09
Yeah. Did something happen between 2014 and now.
01:05:15
Because that allowed, let's say Woodmans and.
01:05:17
And Costco to have bigger signs. And now.
01:05:23
Our current ordinance is a.
01:05:24
Restricting it
01:05:27
sure. So there's two, two variables and many of these.
01:05:30
Are prior to my time. So I, I look for,
01:05:33
to Scott to back me up here, but all these
01:05:36
are within the same Prairie Lakes, general.
01:05:38
Development plan. And so they.
01:05:42
They crafted their general development plan. They created their own.
01:05:45
Zoning code in, in essence for the small area of
01:05:47
the city.
01:05:49
So, you know, the city ordinances.
01:05:52
Only apply when the GDP is silent on.
01:05:56
On something within the GDP. So the, so the developers
01:05:59
originally wrote this code for this development.
01:06:03
And so in each of these.
01:06:05
Each of these properties have been developed.
01:06:09
The signs also vary from the GDP. So some of
01:06:12
these existing sites have.
01:06:16
Signage that that also deviate from the, from the GDP,
01:06:19
because they were evaluated based upon.
01:06:21
The size of the buildings and.
01:06:24
The council at that time and what that business was
01:06:26
proposing.
01:06:29
Okay. And then the other part of my question is
01:06:31
this is being recommended as an approval by staff.
01:06:35
So how far out of comp how far.
01:06:38
From the ordinance, are we, or in other words, what
01:06:41
would.
01:06:42
Bass pro shops have to do to get.
01:06:45
Within the ordinance.
01:06:47
Reduce the number of signs and reduce the size and,
01:06:50
Is this come you because I'm gonna ask Brooke, gimme
01:06:53
one second, pulling up my notes. If it's possible to.
01:06:56
Comply. So the, the current ordinance ha allows two.
01:07:04
Facade facing
01:07:06
signs.
01:07:08
Facing a non-residential property.
01:07:11
Building and buildings greater than a hundred.
01:07:14
Length of frontage. So
01:07:18
bass pro shops has, has three.
01:07:21
On the Northeast and south facades.
01:07:24
Okay.
01:07:27
So that, so it's the maximum number of signs.
01:07:30
And then the, the
01:07:33
larger the total.
01:07:35
Area of signs. So as was mentioned,
01:07:38
the Prairie Lakes G
01:07:40
signage only put a limit on the percentage on, on
01:07:44
a facade of 10%.
01:07:47
We continue to regulate the, a max of 400 square
01:07:50
feet of total signage. So.
01:07:53
There there's kind of two variables, a total total sign
01:07:56
area and percentage. And so as a big building, you
01:07:59
got a bit, you know, as a percentage goes up,
01:08:01
they're they're held back by that, that total area.
01:08:05
So, so the building
01:08:08
they're seeking to increase the total allowed.
01:08:11
Total area on one frontage.
01:08:15
From
01:08:17
their peritus four 50. They proposed 800 or 808 square
01:08:21
feet. I believe mm-hmm .
01:08:23
And they proposed the increase. The number of signs allowed
01:08:27
from three to five.
01:08:29
Okay. And they did, and they did through.
01:08:33
Through working with staff, they did reduce the total number
01:08:36
of signs as was mentioned.
01:08:39
They are replacing an illuminated sign that faces residential property.
01:08:42
Again, that sign was, was installed.
01:08:45
Prior to that property adjoining becoming a residential use. So
01:08:49
it was legal, nonconforming.
01:08:51
So that sign is being replaced with a non illuminated
01:08:54
sign.
01:08:56
So, so there were several things that have changed from
01:08:58
their initial.
01:08:59
Proposal that have brought it closer to being in.
01:09:02
Compliance with the, the Prairie Lakes GDP.
01:09:06
Okay. Stankey for that. And mm-hmm .
01:09:09
Was when you talk about total square footage of the
01:09:11
building.
01:09:12
I assume you're taking into consideration their new addition, which.
01:09:15
I was out in that area today and I saw
01:09:17
the workers probably putting.
01:09:19
Some of the final, like mud on the walls and
01:09:22
things like that.
01:09:25
Right. And
01:09:26
and to get a, get a sense of.
01:09:28
Comparison out there. So Woodman's has.
01:09:32
Has four signs on their front facade. They have 484
01:09:35
square feet.
01:09:37
So they're they have larger.
01:09:40
Area of signs than, than what fast pro shops is
01:09:43
proposing.
01:09:44
Costco, although they only have two signs, their total area
01:09:48
is 811 square feet. So.
01:09:50
So each of those two E existing stores have.
01:09:54
Have larger sign areas, preexisting. They have, they have fewer
01:09:59
number, but in total they're greater area.
01:10:03
Okay. So I guess the question would be, and again,
01:10:06
this would be for best pro shop.
01:10:09
Is it possible to
01:10:11
create your signage to be in compliance so we can
01:10:14
approve it. As I assume we would approve it.
01:10:18
Or are you standing firm on.
01:10:20
What you're proposing.
01:10:24
I'd have to speak on bass pro's you know, obviously
01:10:27
I'm not having this conversation with them directly right now.
01:10:31
But I know that they have made concessions.
01:10:35
And there's certain signs that they have to have up
01:10:37
for licensing.
01:10:40
I'm
01:10:42
I'm pretty sure that they're gonna wanna stick with what
01:10:44
they're proposing.
01:10:45
At this point for the, for the review and the
01:10:48
vote.
01:10:50
Based on prior.
01:10:51
Concessions, but obviously if, if they ONEIDA go back to
01:10:54
the drawing board,
01:10:57
it's just a conversation I'm gonna have to have with
01:10:58
them.
01:11:00
Okay. Stankey Tina.
01:11:05
So, can I, can you just clarify for me in
01:11:08
regards to the additional.
01:11:10
Illumination, how many additional illuminated signs.
01:11:14
Cuz we were talking about one that wasn't gonna be
01:11:15
illuminated. Can you remind me?
01:11:17
We're actually removing two existing illuminated.
01:11:21
Signs and replacing them with non illuminated signs.
01:11:24
Smaller square footage and on one location, actually replacing the
01:11:29
branding altogether with more of a.
01:11:32
Informational sign versus any type of branding. So it's not
01:11:35
fast pro shops. It just says boat service to identify
01:11:39
the.
01:11:40
Canopy doors for the service center.
01:11:43
So it's a scaling back. We're reducing on all elevations
01:11:47
except for the front.
01:11:51
Can you talk a little bit more about the front.
01:11:55
Yeah. I'm think, oh, here's where, here's where my perspective
01:11:58
is coming from and why I'm asking the question just
01:12:00
to kind of, I know I'm like asking you.
01:12:02
These leading questions, but the thing that I'm trying to
01:12:04
identify, cause we said the unlimited illuminated, and then I'm
01:12:06
like, oh.
01:12:08
I'm trying to gauge in regards to light pollution.
01:12:10
So my concern is in regards to light pollution. I
01:12:12
think that would be, you know, a concern for.
01:12:15
Cabela's and, and bass pro shops. I also a customer
01:12:19
and love it, but, and, and hence the passion around
01:12:21
like pollution and how it impacts.
01:12:24
Wildlife BIRD migration.
01:12:26
Night, you know, all of that, whereas I know it's
01:12:29
in this.
01:12:30
This business district and
01:12:32
we have a lot of lights already.
01:12:34
I'll be pushing, I'll be pushing on this particular topic.
01:12:37
For all projects, but I just wanted to cuz it's,
01:12:41
it's, it's a thing.
01:12:42
And it's, and it's very.
01:12:45
Damaging to
01:12:47
our ecosystem. So I just, that's where my question's coming
01:12:50
from. Can you speak to that? So yes, I can.
01:12:53
I absolutely can. Okay. So.
01:12:54
Johnny Morrison his conservation.
01:12:58
Partnerships throughout the, the country won't internationally. Really? They're all
01:13:03
about conservation, right? So.
01:13:06
We've had to adjust the lighting. We've had to put
01:13:08
dimmers, we've had to do things of this nature and
01:13:11
such in other areas. It's not something they're oppos.
01:13:13
Opposed to doing that's for sure.
01:13:16
And concessions can't be made on, on.
01:13:19
The amount of illumination in the signs right now, they
01:13:22
have a certain LEDs. They like to keep with those
01:13:25
O LEDs, but they can absolutely.
01:13:29
Decrease the women outputs for the signs as needed if
01:13:32
required by the board.
01:13:35
Okay. And
01:13:36
for question four, Scott and team.
01:13:42
Where, where does this reside actually, which staff city staff.
01:13:46
Either Josh or I can answer questions.
01:13:49
Okay. I just wanna make sure.
01:13:51
So would that be something that need, would that request
01:13:53
or that piece be ONEIDA be incorporated within the P
01:13:56
I P.
01:13:57
Approval here. Is it amended?
01:14:00
Component or how does that work?
01:14:04
If you're interested, we wanted to decrease the lumens and
01:14:07
make those modifications.
01:14:09
As part of this project.
01:14:12
Yeah, I don't, I don't believe there's anything in our
01:14:13
ordinance right now that controls the, the lumens or anything
01:14:17
in the.
01:14:18
The P I P so I would think if there's
01:14:20
some.
01:14:22
Level light lighting level or, you know, timing or whatever
01:14:25
that you might agree on with the applicant that would
01:14:27
have to be written into.
01:14:29
The resolution through a condition of approval.
01:14:33
So do I ONEIDA ask for that?
01:14:36
Here and now, or how, what is the process? It
01:14:40
would ONEIDA occur before the resolution gets approved. So if
01:14:43
that's going to happen this evening, we'd.
01:14:44
Have to you'd have to make a, an amendment to
01:14:46
the motion.
01:14:47
To add such a condition. Unfortunately, I'm not prepared to
01:14:50
offer you any guidance as far as like lumens or
01:14:53
anything like that. Not having researched this at all.
01:14:55
To know what might be appropriate. Mm-hmm .
01:14:57
Inappropriate and full transparency. I wouldn't be able to actually,
01:15:02
that's a little bit more technical outside of my realm,
01:15:05
but I can say that.
01:15:06
In past locations, it's been, we've had stipulations as far
01:15:10
as timers, certain times in which they ONEIDA go off.
01:15:15
Bass pro has been definitely willing to work that aspect
01:15:19
of it as needed.
01:15:20
I mean, that's even a gentleman's agreement where the technical
01:15:23
drawings been submitted for building.
01:15:25
Permit, you know, building permits can reflect that information.
01:15:29
Or that requirement. So it's definitely something they're willing to
01:15:33
discuss or, or put in as far as the permitting
01:15:36
level, if this were to be.
01:15:38
Approved tonight and be able to go into permitting.
01:15:40
So that's just our
01:15:43
process. I mean, I don't know how it works on
01:15:45
that end as far as having to do the resolution
01:15:47
or whatever, but it's definitely something they're willing to consider.
01:15:50
Should this be approved?
01:15:51
This evening and actually implement in the permitting phase.
01:15:55
If needed as far as a timer or certain hours
01:15:58
to cut off things of that nature.
01:16:02
Mike
01:16:03
yeah. So I'm gonna have questions for AMANDA, Ryan and
01:16:06
Scott. I'm gonna start with you Scott, because you know,
01:16:09
I like Terry, I say we have ordinances to follow
01:16:11
But I wanna understand the origin of this ordinance, which
01:16:15
is why I'm directing it towards you. Why, why have
01:16:17
we set these limitations?
01:16:18
Yeah. So I will say our sign ordinance has been
01:16:22
difficult.
01:16:23
To enforce.
01:16:25
And, and manage and comply with, for these large format
01:16:28
retail stores. Right? So the, the, the sign ordinance is
01:16:32
in place. It applies.
01:16:34
Citywide. So all commercial or non-residential uses are in the
01:16:37
same.
01:16:38
Pot in terms of our sign regulations. Right. And so.
01:16:44
If you think about smaller buildings in the community, 450
01:16:47
square feet, the limit was put in place at some
01:16:50
I can't recall what the exact origin of that number
01:16:54
is, but I think that's to, you know,
01:16:56
control on most properties throughout the city, you know, a
01:16:59
reasonable level of signage. It's proven difficult on the large
01:17:03
format stores.
01:17:04
And, you know, the, the table that you see on
01:17:06
the staff report on page two is.
01:17:08
Evidence of that. Right? We have.
01:17:11
I believe seven buildings listed there.
01:17:14
Five of them exceed that limit. And so.
01:17:16
Through the plan development process, we have kind of demonstrated
01:17:21
Willingness in the past to.
01:17:24
Address the, the difficulties with that ordinance through the plan
01:17:27
development ordinance, understanding that these buildings are a little unique.
01:17:31
We're not going to have dozens of large format stores
01:17:35
throughout the city. We're gonna have a handful of them.
01:17:38
I'm guessing we're probably at about our limit.
01:17:40
Now once IV moves forward and gets constructed.
01:17:45
So
01:17:47
the the 450 limit has proven to be.
01:17:49
Small. I think the distance of these buildings from the
01:17:52
street is one factor.
01:17:54
That. And then just the scale of the buildings and
01:17:57
the Cabela's building formerly CABELA is now bass pro shop.
01:18:01
You know, has even gotten a little larger, right? So
01:18:04
the, the, as AMANDA mentioned, the percentage of signage overall
01:18:08
on this facade,
01:18:09
would be relatively low compared to what's allowed by the
01:18:12
ordinance, but that.
01:18:13
Cap that was put on there. I think just to
01:18:15
kind of control things for most buildings throughout the city.
01:18:19
Is where we have the difficulty, but we do have
01:18:21
a demonstrated.
01:18:23
You know, I guess
01:18:25
history here of allowing some leeway on these larger format
01:18:29
stores.
01:18:30
And the bass pro shop proposal here is kind of.
01:18:34
You know, mid-range to a high, high, mid range of
01:18:39
what we've approved on other sites.
01:18:41
In this vicinity.
01:18:43
Scott several years ago, a developer Jerry Connery came to
01:18:46
me and complained about.
01:18:48
Someone who was violating this particular ordinance.
01:18:52
So, if we were to grant this leeway, which as
01:18:55
of right now, I'm opposed to, what are we gonna
01:18:57
tell? You know, what do we tell other businesses that
01:18:59
wanna violate this ordinance?
01:19:00
What are we gonna tell 'em? I mean, I think,
01:19:02
you know, there is a question of the equal protection
01:19:03
clause, right. But what are we gonna tell 'em? What
01:19:05
is the staff gonna tell 'em? Cause they're gonna come
01:19:07
to you before they come to us.
01:19:08
So we've actually loosened up the sign ordinance a little
01:19:11
bit citywide, right? The 10% of the.
01:19:14
The square footage of the facade is allowed for signage
01:19:18
in many areas and 7%. And he went from seven
01:19:21
to 10%. We've done.
01:19:23
That in, in, you know, all over Prairie Lakes, I
01:19:26
guess it surprises me that Jerry would be complaining about
01:19:30
that. Maybe it was one of the uses.
01:19:31
That he, you know, he, he didn't represent out there.
01:19:35
But I'm sure it was. I mean, I don't recall.
01:19:37
I think it was a bank, but I don't, I
01:19:38
don't really remember what it was. Sure. You know, I,
01:19:40
I would just say, you know, there's a.
01:19:44
If we were to amend the ordinance to raise that
01:19:46
number.
01:19:47
I think we'd run into problems or situations elsewhere in
01:19:51
the city that we might not want to see. So
01:19:53
I think the, the way that we chose to address.
01:19:55
It, as we were dealing with these large format stores.
01:19:59
Over the years has been to do it on a
01:20:00
case by case basis.
01:20:02
Using our best judgment, trying our best to keep them
01:20:05
in check.
01:20:07
And, you know, kind of look at what was reasonable.
01:20:10
Per building, just like any other plan development, right? The.
01:20:13
Variations get requested and we use our best judgment to
01:20:17
try to determine whether what they're asking for is appropriate.
01:20:20
Okay. So my next question goes to.
01:20:22
Either AMANDA or Ryan, I'm not sure who wants to
01:20:24
speak about this store specifically.
01:20:28
That particular question? No, no. A different question. Oh, go
01:20:31
ahead. Okay, AMANDA.
01:20:34
Okay. So the, the question is.
01:20:37
So you reference this store as priority number four out
01:20:40
of 86. And I'll tell you the mayor and I.
01:20:43
Were there when Cabela's first opened, we were, and I
01:20:46
recall, you know, before they actually opened the doors,
01:20:49
they had, I don't wanna call it a secret meeting,
01:20:51
but a, a pep talk.
01:20:53
For all of the employees and we were privy to
01:20:56
that. And I remember the words that he said, he
01:20:58
said, this was ground zero. Like there was not a
01:21:01
better place.
01:21:02
Mm-hmm you know, to have this store.
01:21:05
Which, you know, to me, it says, you know, do
01:21:07
you need signs? So my question is,
01:21:09
for this store and I, and I'm, I'm sure you've
01:21:11
done studies. Maybe you haven't. I, I would guess you
01:21:12
have.
01:21:13
What kind of traffic do you have is that's like
01:21:15
walk-in traffic versus.
01:21:17
I'm driving here from Reedsburg, because I want to go
01:21:20
to bass pro shop.
01:21:21
So I don't have Ashe, actual statistics, but obviously being
01:21:24
in the central part where north, south, east, and west,
01:21:27
it's a destination location.
01:21:29
So people traveling obviously will come in what brings a
01:21:31
lot more revenue, but I'll also tell you that a
01:21:33
lot of locals that we just heard up here from
01:21:35
some, they love the place and we get traffic from.
01:21:37
Both sides of the world, but I, I don't have
01:21:39
those particular numbers with me. Yeah. I know a lot
01:21:41
of people love the place. You know, I lived in.
01:21:43
PROVIDENCE for seven years and twice a day, I walked
01:21:46
my dog by what was Cabela's.
01:21:49
And strangely enough, when a, a man's walking, a dog,
01:21:51
people will stop on Hep care and ask you where's
01:21:55
the jerky store or.
01:21:57
You know, how do I get to the downtown, whatever.
01:21:59
No one in all those times ever asked me how
01:22:01
to find Cabelas, nobody ever. I mean, the thing is
01:22:04
the biggest building in town.
01:22:05
I mean, if you can't find that, I mean, I
01:22:07
don't know. That's.
01:22:09
I just don't think that we need more sign. I
01:22:10
think it's ground zero.
01:22:12
No one can't cannot not find this right.
01:22:15
Stankey can I just wanna mention just one thing. It's
01:22:20
not that we need more signs it's that we need
01:22:22
different signs, right? This is a rebrand.
01:22:24
Rebranding of CABELA DR. The best pro shops. It's it's
01:22:27
got.
01:22:30
It's got that. The appeal of bass pro shops. It's
01:22:33
known nationally and.
01:22:36
And up in Canada as well that people will travel.
01:22:39
You know, sometimes up to a hundred miles a day,
01:22:41
I know that best person will let of support saying
01:22:43
that, you know,
01:22:44
these people, they learn that this is a bass pro
01:22:47
shop and they wanna travel. Not that they're not traveling
01:22:50
to CABELA DR. Stores. Not that they don't know that
01:22:52
Pro shots bought CABELA, DR. But.
01:22:55
It's the introduction of the new brand to the store.
01:22:59
It's not additional signage to what's out there. It's changing
01:23:02
of the existing signage.
01:23:03
So that it's reflective of the bass pro shop's brand
01:23:07
and bring it more into conformance with the other stores
01:23:10
nationally.
01:23:13
Bob.
01:23:17
I have to admit that. Well, my question for.
01:23:21
Josh and Scott, I think you basically addressed it.
01:23:25
Was gonna be, you know, why are you recommending approval
01:23:27
for this? And I look at this table that you
01:23:30
showed us.
01:23:31
On page five and you're, if I'm understanding correctly,
01:23:35
you're saying you, you kind of judge it on a
01:23:37
case by case basis.
01:23:39
And the percentage of signage versus total square foot.
01:23:45
This seemed reasonable. And is, is that the.
01:23:49
Basis. What would you say?
01:23:52
Yeah. I think the amended package that they brought back
01:23:55
is.
01:23:56
Not out of line with others that we've approved for
01:23:59
similar.
01:24:00
Size stores in Sun Prairie in that vicinity.
01:24:04
And I was a little bit confused. I want to
01:24:07
clarify.
01:24:10
Did I hear the, so the Prairie Lakes GDP would.
01:24:14
Trump the ordinance or did I have that correct? Or.
01:24:17
And does it say anything on this.
01:24:19
With all plan developments.
01:24:21
Essentially the general development plan.
01:24:24
Is almost like an overlay zone. Right? So if there
01:24:28
are provisions in the general development plan that modify.
01:24:31
Our ordinance standards.
01:24:33
Then the general development plan provisions apply. So right. If
01:24:37
there's a, an, an area where the, the general development
01:24:39
plan is silent, then our ordinance applies. I.
01:24:41
See, and does the GDP say anything on total signage?
01:24:46
I believe
01:24:48
I believe.
01:24:49
Josh helped me out here. You were a little more
01:24:51
in touch with this one.
01:24:53
I believe the four 50 is the number that we're.
01:24:56
Oh, so the, there was not specifically a.
01:25:00
Revised standard in the, the.
01:25:03
The Prairie Lakes, general development plan, but we certainly have
01:25:06
had requests.
01:25:08
In the past, as these stores get implemented and bring
01:25:11
their Pittz in. Okay.
01:25:13
But I'm correct. As far as the reason you and
01:25:16
your staff recommend this is because it is in line
01:25:19
with other large store.
01:25:21
Stores and also the percentage.
01:25:23
Percentage data that you shared, is that correct? That was
01:25:27
our evaluation. Yes. Yeah. I, I guess I'm supportive of
01:25:31
this proposal.
01:25:33
Based on what the other large.
01:25:36
Stores in the area are doing Stankey.
01:25:38
David
01:25:41
I'm sorry, I got several questions. I'm trying to be
01:25:43
as quick as possible, I guess.
01:25:46
How many other stores have you had to request an
01:25:48
ordinance change?
01:25:50
During this rebranding.
01:25:52
So so far, like I said, this is the fourth
01:25:55
store that's being rebranded.
01:25:56
Rebrand it I'd say at this point, we've had to
01:25:59
obtain a variance for two and we've been approved for
01:26:02
two based on normal code.
01:26:04
Honestly, that's kind of it's, it's a 50 50 draw
01:26:06
throughout the 86 locations.
01:26:09
We've actually pulled code check for all 86 locations. And
01:26:12
we really are at about a 50, 50 mark of
01:26:15
municipalities who will allow the signs.
01:26:17
Versus those that require a variance.
01:26:20
All right. You say we were a high priority. What
01:26:22
made us high priority?
01:26:24
So there were, I, I, I really believe it has
01:26:28
to do with the placement of the store.
01:26:31
I know that Ryan spoke earlier about the amount of
01:26:34
donations and stuff that come through. That's very important.
01:26:37
To Johnny Morris, you guys are only behind, as far
01:26:42
as the, the stores that have been done so far,
01:26:44
they did the.
01:26:46
Glendale Arizona store head of the super bowl. They did
01:26:48
the Augusta Georgia store ahead of the masters. They did
01:26:52
a Kansas city store head of.
01:26:54
NASCAR. And then you guys are, are next on the
01:26:58
list.
01:26:59
So
01:27:01
honestly, they're hand selected by John Johnny Morris. He's
01:27:05
took a need and, and stood up and said, these
01:27:08
are the ones I want done first. And.
01:27:10
Sun Prairie was the fourth one on the list. So,
01:27:13
so we a big deal, huh?
01:27:14
okay. I'll take that as a yes, we are
01:27:20
a big deal. I'm gonna ECHO what Mike says.
01:27:23
if, if this was back home, I'm from Baltimore
01:27:27
originally. If this was back there, I, I totally get
01:27:29
it. If it was any other.
01:27:31
Place. I totally get it. I came here and I
01:27:33
just see.
01:27:34
I've never been some, any place where I've seen so
01:27:37
many people.
01:27:38
Obsessed with hunting and fishing so I gotta ECHO
01:27:43
Mike.
01:27:44
People know where it is. Mm-hmm and I also
01:27:47
think winning Rome.
01:27:49
And if you know our community and you know, our
01:27:51
people, we going to support the store. That's proven through
01:27:54
the donations.
01:27:55
And is it safe to say that those donations are
01:27:58
used to fund some of those events that you're giving
01:28:00
back to the community?
01:28:04
Yes, we can move the.
01:28:06
You said, just stay up there, man. I know
01:28:08
it's been a long day. So the funds we do
01:28:12
that, we get go right back to the community or.
01:28:14
Bigger organizations as well, the pheasants for tomorrow, all local.
01:28:17
And it could be to the, to the local schools
01:28:19
for raffles or the supportings of the kids programs or
01:28:22
whatever. So it goes right.
01:28:23
Back in I'm actually forgiveness, cuz I don't wanna sound
01:28:25
like a jerk. You're good. Okay. All right. Because.
01:28:28
What it is is our community is making these donations.
01:28:32
So it's almost like our community giving back to our
01:28:35
own community. Y'all just facilitating the events.
01:28:38
And what I would say is I would rather y'all
01:28:40
do less signage and use some of that money to
01:28:42
give back to the community.
01:28:44
And invest in us cuz our community has invested in
01:28:46
you.
01:28:47
That's just as how I feel about it. I mean,
01:28:50
I, I think I'm one second. I think we can
01:28:52
fit this in.
01:28:53
Because bass pro is big.
01:28:56
So I think they can make it work.
01:28:58
And I think we have ordinances for a reason. I,
01:29:01
I, I, I just agree with that. I think it's
01:29:03
a way to make it work.
01:29:06
And, and, and
01:29:08
one thing I asked about I'm big on community and
01:29:10
I'm big on, on, on collaboration. I asked if, if,
01:29:12
if it was.
01:29:14
Worked out with the developer.
01:29:16
Y'all said yes. And I, I found out myself that,
01:29:19
that wasn't the case. I asked if you.
01:29:23
Communicated with the community as well.
01:29:25
And you mentioned that, well, some lady came up and
01:29:28
talked, so you guess.
01:29:29
But the lady was a, is a fellow ALDER that
01:29:32
spoke get last week.
01:29:34
So
01:29:36
please sell me.
01:29:38
Well understand. So I, again, I apologize for any misinformation
01:29:42
that was given to me, I was told that the
01:29:43
developer's information that we made.
01:29:46
A concession, the drawing was revised that any of his.
01:29:49
Issues with the drawings were withdrawn and that we had
01:29:53
approval to proceed. Otherwise I don't, I, I was under
01:29:56
the impression it wouldn't have even moved forward with.
01:29:58
Submittal into the planning department or that commission meeting. So
01:30:02
forgive me, I will plead ignorance to that. I apologize.
01:30:06
As far as
01:30:09
you know, giving back to the community.
01:30:11
It's Johnny Morris and best pro shops has done that.
01:30:16
Continuously and not just some PRAIRIE I'm talking just on
01:30:20
a grand scale of things.
01:30:22
They've support many organizations and foundations. I've got many examples
01:30:27
here that I can read you some where they've.
01:30:31
In the face of tragedy or hurricanes Houston, for example,
01:30:35
they sent 125 of their own tracker boats out to.
01:30:39
Help the Texas.
01:30:41
The the Texas national guard lead into more than 18,000
01:30:46
water rescues.
01:30:48
When 2019 hurricane Dorian hit The Bahamas bass pro shops, partners
01:30:53
with convoy for hope and raised an excess of four.
01:30:56
Million for ongoing.
01:30:58
Relief efforts and there's many, many more like they have
01:31:02
a lifelong commitment to re recruiting. Can I stop quickly?
01:31:05
Don't hire for HEROS.
01:31:07
10% of their workforce are, are veterans that they hire.
01:31:10
There's so many ways that they get back to the
01:31:12
community.
01:31:13
Outside of just taking
01:31:15
donations. And then, and then putting the, you know, organizing
01:31:20
events and then bringing those.
01:31:21
Dollars back into the community with the events. It, it
01:31:24
goes well beyond that. So AMANDA, I'm gonna interrupt you
01:31:27
there. There's no doubt.
01:31:29
About bass pro shop that there's no need for you
01:31:32
to tell us what a good organization are.
01:31:35
I think we've got an issue here. We're not seem
01:31:38
to be in a position we're about to approve this.
01:31:41
So I think we've gotta figure out a path forward.
01:31:44
With this, we've got to get you what you need
01:31:47
and yet live within what our requirements are and what
01:31:50
this body is willing to.
01:31:52
Accept then it's not clear to me what this body
01:31:55
is willing to accept.
01:31:57
I've heard different things about the amount of light and
01:32:01
the size of the signs and the number of signs.
01:32:03
We can't be vastly off of this. What step do
01:32:08
we ONEIDA take to get you to where you're at?
01:32:13
That's actually a, a question I was asking this body,
01:32:15
AMANDA, that AMANDA.
01:32:17
I'm back here now asking this body.
01:32:20
I'm not asking you, do you wanted to say something?
01:32:23
Yes, your honor. Stankey, this'll be very quick. I have
01:32:26
the feeling that everybody up here.
01:32:28
Mo the majority of you are.
01:32:31
Or I'm the minority.
01:32:33
I support this and some of the reasons that I
01:32:36
support it and with all due respect.
01:32:38
I never even heard of sports or this place, to
01:32:42
be honest with you.
01:32:43
The, the bass pro shop. I had never heard of
01:32:46
it.
01:32:47
And I had never heard of Cabela's when it first
01:32:50
moved here.
01:32:51
And I knew about it, you know?
01:32:54
Kind of, but it's like, I'm a sports authority or,
01:32:57
you know, I'm a Dick's sporting store person, girl.
01:33:01
But I feel like this ordinance, this sign ordinance.
01:33:05
Is more for smaller.
01:33:08
Buildings. It's not for these, it's not meant. The ordinance
01:33:10
that we have is not meant for.
01:33:12
Large buildings. And when I look at my GPS, I'm
01:33:16
also, I'm a kinesthetic, I'm a visionary person.
01:33:20
So when I look at my GPS out of respect,
01:33:24
I look like, for example, the other day I was
01:33:27
in Verona and noticed because of the signage that there
01:33:29
was a Costco there and I thought.
01:33:32
Two weeks ago, two weeks after that, I went to
01:33:34
that Costco. And when I was in that area,
01:33:37
I the, I feel that signage is very important.
01:33:41
And it also
01:33:44
it's critical, especially when it comes to store branding for
01:33:47
branding strategists. And this is like the number three store.
01:33:51
When I believe when.
01:33:52
I wasn't on the council. Then when the Cabelas was
01:33:55
But I think you were number two at one time,
01:33:58
but that's because there was a growth of stores that
01:34:00
were being built. Of course, cuz I know I had
01:34:03
friends that came from other.
01:34:05
Other communities that were like two hours away.
01:34:08
That would come to the, oh, I'm going to some
01:34:09
PRAIRIE Cabelas and.
01:34:11
So, but I, I think Maureen, the issue at this
01:34:14
moment is I don't think it's gonna pass. Right, right.
01:34:17
So I think we've gotta figure out where we're going
01:34:19
with this.
01:34:20
Thing. So right. You have something in that regard, Brent?
01:34:23
I do. Yes.
01:34:24
Okay, so sorry.
01:34:26
So it sounds like they're may be some issues with.
01:34:30
The ordinance, as it relates to.
01:34:33
Big box stores. I'm wondering, should we table a vote
01:34:37
on this motion and have a referral?
01:34:39
For staff to maybe come up with an ordinance that
01:34:42
might take into account.
01:34:43
Big box stores. So when the next one is built
01:34:47
or the next.
01:34:48
Rebranding is done. We don't have to have the same
01:34:51
discussion up here about the ordinance.
01:34:54
But we're not gonna have too many left.
01:34:56
Terry don't we have a motion and a second on
01:35:00
the floor. We have to deal with that. We will.
01:35:03
We'll get there. Tina was making comments like she might
01:35:07
wanted to make a, an amendment to that motion.
01:35:10
Before, so I don't think we're done necessarily. I see
01:35:14
she's out there again. Her hand was up and then
01:35:16
it was down. And so I lost track of it.
01:35:19
But I don't think I see you, Tina.
01:35:21
I see you. I just don't think that we're headed
01:35:24
in a direction. We're going to approve this and.
01:35:27
Sometimes, maybe we don't wanna send a message of.
01:35:31
Not approving this. Maybe we wanna do something different, but.
01:35:35
Tina let's hear what you want.
01:35:39
my, my, I wonder part of the concern from what
01:35:42
I've been picking up from what's been expressed in the
01:35:45
public is.
01:35:47
Once again, going back to the light pollution. I know
01:35:49
I also wanted to get on my pedestal a little
01:35:51
bit earlier about the, the, the detriment.
01:35:54
Of, you know,
01:35:56
other living beings in our, in our world from like
01:35:59
pollution.
01:36:00
But I think if that's something that can be managed.
01:36:03
And we're good partners on that. I am. I see.
01:36:06
No.
01:36:07
Issue with the signs and the sign size. It's the
01:36:10
light.
01:36:11
That is what I'm understanding can be the pain point
01:36:16
for residents and individuals in that area. So I, I
01:36:19
Issue here is that it doesn't have five votes with
01:36:22
the number of signs and the sizes of the signs.
01:36:25
And I think somehow we've gotta figure that out.
01:36:28
I, I, I get that. What I'm saying is, is
01:36:30
that you were asking, what would it take? And I'm,
01:36:32
I'm sharing with you, what it would take for me,
01:36:34
for you. I get that. And she.
01:36:36
Indicated they're willing to work on the.
01:36:39
Lumens are they called? So Scott, where would we go
01:36:41
with this? I'm a bit concerned if we wanna review
01:36:45
the ordinance.
01:36:46
As it is that may take us longer and we
01:36:48
may leave bass pro shop in limbo on this.
01:36:52
City attorney wants to say something to.
01:36:55
Not only be a couple people left in this room
01:36:57
to speak. So let's hear from you Cathleen Stankey Mr.
01:37:01
Mayor. I do wanna point out that bass pro.
01:37:03
Shop submitted their application under our existing ordinance. So will
01:37:07
it still might be very prudent to take a look
01:37:09
at our code and review it going forward?
01:37:12
Any action that we take on my proposal right now
01:37:14
would ONEIDA be under the existing ordinance and I would
01:37:16
not recommend amending the ordinance solely to address.
01:37:21
One property, because I think then we could potentially run
01:37:23
into a litigation issue.
01:37:24
So help me with this Cathleen. If we let this
01:37:27
go to a vote and it fails.
01:37:29
What's our next step.
01:37:31
If we let this go to a vote and it
01:37:33
fails. I think our recommendation and Scott, you can correct
01:37:35
me if I'm wrong would be to work with bass
01:37:38
pro shops and sign.
01:37:40
Designer to come back with a proposal that they think
01:37:42
would be more likely to be approved by this body
01:37:44
based on the feedback they've heard this evening.
01:37:46
With all of the feedback, including the lumens.
01:37:50
Correct. So the lumens placement, whatever other concerns that were
01:37:54
raised raised by experiences or feet.
01:37:57
So, where are you with that? Does that sound like
01:37:59
the thing we wanna do? Do we wanna let this
01:38:01
go to a vote and fail?
01:38:02
Failed. And then we'll tell bass pro shop.
01:38:05
AMANDA that we aren't turning our backs on you.
01:38:09
We just want staff to work further with you.
01:38:12
And see if we can't get it within our parameters.
01:38:18
So I just wanna speak to currently I'm with the
01:38:22
construction schedule.
01:38:24
And the licensing agreement I'm supposed to have the tracker,
01:38:27
boats and ATV sign up on the building.
01:38:30
30 days prior to them bringing merchandise into the store.
01:38:34
Or their unlicensed to do that.
01:38:37
So this puts a incredible.
01:38:40
VIRDON on bass pro shops to have to wait to
01:38:42
bring in.
01:38:44
To turn over to retail and actually bring in merchandise
01:38:48
into the new.
01:38:50
Boat showroom and canopy that they're adding to the store.
01:38:54
So
01:38:56
light issues I can address.
01:39:00
Well, I think AMANDA, I turned that around to you.
01:39:03
If in, we meet again on November 1st.
01:39:06
So, if you could come to a conclusion with our
01:39:09
staff,
01:39:10
in that period of time. So they give us something
01:39:12
back that this body is going to accept.
01:39:15
Then it's, you're only being held off a couple of
01:39:18
weeks.
01:39:19
So I, I best pro shops has requested if at
01:39:22
all possible that I have signage installed prior to the
01:39:25
26th of this month.
01:39:27
So I'm up against a.
01:39:30
Rock and a hard place. Well, well, AMANDA appreciate, and
01:39:34
that's not, that's my issue, not yours, AMANDA. You know,
01:39:36
I understand that AMANDA. So could I.
01:39:39
Talk here for a moment because you're not gonna get
01:39:41
that approval tonight.
01:39:43
Understood. I understand that let's, let's come, let's come to
01:39:46
an understanding of what we can do.
01:39:49
And then you can go tell your people.
01:39:51
That it's it's coming. We just gotta make some more
01:39:54
amendments.
01:39:56
And we've gotta give up some things that they just
01:39:58
won't go for in Sun Prairie. You know, those Sun
01:40:01
Prairie people, we're prickly here in this C.
01:40:04
Community cuz we think we're special in this county.
01:40:07
And a lot of people don't like us.
01:40:09
In the state of WISCONSIN, you just gotta deal with
01:40:12
us, but what you want, isn't gonna pass tonight.
01:40:15
Well, can I ask, can I ask a couple quick
01:40:18
questions?
01:40:19
My one question would be.
01:40:22
Why, if it seems that best pro signage is being
01:40:26
Is within the, the according to.
01:40:30
The other stores it's kind of within that.
01:40:33
Position of signage.
01:40:35
We actually come and blow some of the other ones.
01:40:38
From what I heard. And we're only at 5.6% of
01:40:41
the building frontage.
01:40:44
To me, it seems more of the.
01:40:46
So, or the quantity of science seems more like the
01:40:49
issue versus the size, if you go by the 10%
01:40:52
of the allowance. So, so I think.
01:40:54
AMANDA. So I just looking to go back to bass
01:40:56
and be able to say, Hey.
01:40:58
Here's where we compare to the other stores and this
01:41:01
is why they won't allow our signs, but they've allowed
01:41:04
it for other locations. And I'm, I'm just looking to
01:41:06
have.A clear answer for them when I do that, so
01:41:09
that we can talk about how to make science closer
01:41:11
to code.
01:41:12
Okay, so that is gonna have to come from staff.
01:41:16
They can tell you cuz they can speak to the
01:41:19
ordinance. They can speak to the.
01:41:21
G D P and tell you about that and tell
01:41:24
you what this body is barking at.
01:41:27
But the nine of us sitting here are not gonna
01:41:29
give you those definitive answers this evening.
01:41:32
All we're gonna do is say what you have asked
01:41:35
us to approve. We aren't going to approve.
01:41:38
That's what we're gonna walk away with this evening. And
01:41:41
then tomorrow.
01:41:42
You're gonna have to work with.
01:41:44
Josh and Scott.
01:41:47
And whoever else in our planning department is on this
01:41:50
and, and get those.
01:41:51
Resolved and then we'll get it back here.
01:41:55
If it fits the ordinance, it'll get approved on November 1st,
01:41:59
the staff was thinking that, that it was appropriate, but
01:42:02
this body.
01:42:03
Isn't accepting it. So staff isn't going to.
01:42:06
Come back with what you want. We ONEIDA make some
01:42:09
adjustments to it.
01:42:11
And I understand that, but us being able to come
01:42:14
down to the 450 square foot is almost impossible to
01:42:17
even get the best pro logo in the outdoor.
01:42:19
World Xiong alone up on the building. Okay. That's that's
01:42:23
the reality of it and that's their standard branding. Okay.
01:42:26
Let alone the licensing.
01:42:27
Agreement that they have to have the tracker letter set
01:42:30
on the building. So I don't know how we're gonna
01:42:32
get down to that 450.
01:42:34
Square foot. Okay. All right. We're not gonna solve that
01:42:37
here tonight. We aren't the ones that know how to
01:42:40
do that.
01:42:44
Well, okay. We can keep talking about this. No, I
01:42:47
just have a quick question.
01:42:49
Since we're already here in a budget session next week,
01:42:52
could we have a special council meeting if this gets
01:42:55
resolved?
01:42:56
To expedite this for them.
01:42:58
Well, let's see if we get to that point. Sure.
01:43:00
Okay. You know,
01:43:01
Scott. Yeah, I just, I just wanted to clarify a
01:43:04
couple things if first of all, if they bring in
01:43:06
a signed package that complies.
01:43:08
No ONEIDA be here, right. The permit. Oh, okay. Would
01:43:11
get issued and all right. So I think if, if
01:43:13
the intent is to table this, to come back with
01:43:15
something else.
01:43:17
From a staff standpoint, we would appreciate some direction. Are
01:43:20
we looking for some compromise? That's somewhere.
01:43:22
Between that ordinance standard and what they're proposing or are
01:43:26
you looking for, you know, Scott, it's really a denial,
01:43:28
I guess that's, you know, Scott, what I'm hearing is.
01:43:31
They want no deviation from the ordinance.
01:43:34
That's what I'm hearing.
01:43:37
I don't hear anybody saying that's not just a little
01:43:40
too big, if that's the case. And, you know, we
01:43:43
see a, a package like that.
01:43:45
Then, you know, it would get approved at the staff
01:43:47
level with no ONEIDA come so soon. The city attorney
01:43:50
isn't gonna like this, but does anybody disagree with.
01:43:53
That, that if it complies with the ordinance as is,
01:43:56
then you won't even see it back here.
01:43:58
But anything more than that, you're never.
01:44:01
The sentiment tonight is you're never going to go with
01:44:04
that.
01:44:05
Is that kind of an interest I'm supportive of the
01:44:07
proposal we have right before you, so maybe we ought
01:44:10
to get a vote on this.
01:44:12
Definitively know where we're at.
01:44:14
And see what, where the, where we are with that.
01:44:17
And then we vote it down that Scott voting this
01:44:20
down, doesn't impede it coming back in a week or
01:44:22
two weeks or whatever does it.
01:44:26
I think it's voted down. I think they start all
01:44:28
over with a new application. If they want to propose
01:44:31
something else.
01:44:32
Unless the council would choose to make a motion to
01:44:35
reconsider.
01:44:37
Would it be better? Someone from the prevailing side, would
01:44:39
it be better than if we tabled it? It keeps
01:44:41
it alive again. If the intent is to.
01:44:43
To have them work on a compromise to come back
01:44:46
with something. But if that compromise, if, if all that's
01:44:49
going to be accepted is comply with the ordinance. There's.
01:44:52
No ONEIDA come back. So that's why I was kind
01:44:54
of looking for some parameters are you're looking for us
01:44:56
to.
01:44:58
You know, meet in the middle here or what are
01:45:00
we looking for? That that would be helpful to us
01:45:02
as staff to work with them, to, to work on
01:45:05
a revised. So if we want.
01:45:06
A little larger than the.
01:45:09
Ordinance that'd be a compromise. Huh? Sorry.
01:45:12
Don't know how we quantify that. I don't know where
01:45:15
we are.
01:45:17
You know, we're built to, we're built to answer yes
01:45:21
or no. We're not built to deal with all these
01:45:23
other.
01:45:24
Considerations. That's the problem, AMANDA. We can't help you with
01:45:28
that.
01:45:29
As city attorney, do you wanna say something?
01:45:32
Mr. Mary, if I may, I think what the community
01:45:34
development director was suggesting is that if this was rejected
01:45:37
this evening,
01:45:38
and bass wanted to come back with another proposal that
01:45:40
would deviate from the ordinance that would then ONEIDA start
01:45:43
over and go back through plan commission and then come
01:45:46
here. Correct.
01:45:48
That's correct. That's the way I would see it. Whereas
01:45:49
if this was not voted on tonight and bass wanted
01:45:52
to come up with an alternate proposal, there would be.
01:45:55
Two means either they could come up with a proposal
01:45:58
that complies with our ordinance, which would give staff the
01:46:00
authority to approve it consistent with our current signed permitting.
01:46:03
Policy or if they came up with the proposal that
01:46:06
had.
01:46:07
A variance, but different than the current variance that's being
01:46:09
requested, that could then be brought back before this body
01:46:13
and the additional step of another planned commission.
01:46:16
Not ONEIDA occur. So to, to do that, what's the
01:46:18
action we would take.
01:46:19
Right now, I think you can make a motion to
01:46:23
a table.
01:46:24
Okay. So
01:46:26
should we do that? Have a motion. Well, we, the
01:46:30
motion, a motion that table would take, take precedence over
01:46:32
a motion to, and you can do it any time.
01:46:34
Go into discussion on that motion. I'll, I'll make the
01:46:38
motion to table because some of, some of the things
01:46:41
I agree with on the building.
01:46:43
Is just, I do wanted to comply with the ordinance
01:46:46
and I do believe that they can accomplish that. Okay.
01:46:48
We've got a motion to second in this. We do
01:46:50
not discuss.
01:46:51
Right. We just vote. And do we, should we do
01:46:54
a roll call? Don't we have to say have a
01:46:56
specific time we table it to that'd be postponement. So.
01:46:59
It's Tabler postponement. Right? So table is indefinite. Postponement is
01:47:04
to a certain date. Okay. Yep. So table.
01:47:07
Is fine Steve seconds. And we.
01:47:10
We so we're tabling it.
01:47:13
And let's do the roll on that.
01:47:19
Jokisch hi.
01:47:20
McElroy. Aye. Stocker. Aye.
01:47:23
Virgil Bohling
01:47:27
aye Crombie. Aye.
01:47:29
Eisberner no.
01:47:33
Jacobs. Hi.
01:47:36
Alright, that motion table 7 1 7 to one. So.
01:47:42
So let's tell AMANDA where we go next with this.
01:47:45
So we need a proposal from them.
01:47:48
That comes back to staff.
01:47:51
Correct. So I would suggest Mr. Mayor, that bass pro
01:47:55
shops continue to work with staff on a proposal. And
01:47:58
if they present a proposal that Compli.
01:48:00
Complies with our ordinance staff has the authority under our
01:48:02
ordinance to approve that. And then the project will go
01:48:04
forward.
01:48:05
If they would like a variance and it's something that
01:48:07
after review staff believes is likely this body would approve
01:48:10
staff can then refer it back to this body for
01:48:12
their next council meeting. Okay.
01:48:14
AMANDA. Do you understand that? What the city attorney just
01:48:18
You might not like it, but do you understand it?
01:48:21
No. No. Yes, sir. I, I do understand it. I
01:48:23
just, I'm a little confused cuz I don't think we
01:48:26
have clear understanding.
01:48:27
And I don't know that.
01:48:30
The, you know, the planning members are able to give
01:48:33
me clear understanding.
01:48:34
On what I ONEIDA take back to bass pro, which
01:48:37
is confusing because if I go back to bass pro
01:48:40
again, and I say, we ONEIDA adhere to the current.
01:48:42
Code, although there's other locations.
01:48:45
The current location doesn't adhere to code there's other businesses
01:48:48
that don't adhere to code, but we're being made to
01:48:50
adhere to this code.
01:48:52
And we don't have any option. That's what it is.
01:48:55
We ONEIDA be able to adhere to the code in
01:48:57
order to, you know,
01:48:59
pass it through approval and get it through. And it
01:49:01
wouldn't even ONEIDA. Come back to you guys.
01:49:03
Then I think I ONEIDA understand.
01:49:06
Yes, what I'm presenting to them because I, I feel
01:49:08
like.
01:49:09
Like I said with the bass pro logo and the
01:49:11
outdoor world sign alone. Okay. We exceed that. So I'm
01:49:15
I'm and I'll work with them. I just don't know.
01:49:17
It sounds like they're not even really sure on where
01:49:19
that exactly compromised. Be exactly. To come back to this
01:49:22
board and ask for another variance. Yes. I think.
01:49:26
That's where it's not clear. So I apologize. Yes. But
01:49:28
I, I do understand the process, sir. I think we're
01:49:30
getting it clarified. It still, isn't absolutely clear, but I
01:49:33
think working with.
01:49:34
The staff is the way you have to go.
01:49:36
And you've heard some things, you know, what the, what
01:49:39
the desires of this body are.
01:49:42
Staff can help you a little bit with that. But
01:49:45
as they're suggesting, if you comply with the ordinance, then
01:49:47
it's, there's no issue.
01:49:49
And otherwise it's got to fit within.
01:49:53
Some smaller setup.
01:49:54
Within there. So
01:49:57
I think that's the best we can do for you
01:49:59
tonight, but we weren't gonna get it approved. Do you
01:50:01
wanna say something, Terry? I have a question.
01:50:05
When they came to the city, when bass pro shops
01:50:09
came to the city.
01:50:10
Were they told what the ordinances are.
01:50:13
We you pulled the ordinances. She said that in the
01:50:16
other location.
01:50:17
So, you know, so, so you knew in advance that,
01:50:20
that this was the ordinance.
01:50:24
Am I correct.
01:50:25
Yeah, we pulled the code check for all of the
01:50:28
locations. So this was one of 'em. There was a
01:50:30
lot of communication back and forth. Like I said, this
01:50:32
has been about three months or.
01:50:34
So, yeah. Going back and forth again, bass pro has
01:50:36
made.
01:50:37
Many concessions from the original drawing that was sent over.
01:50:41
And we, but, but you did understand what the ordinance
01:50:43
was to discuss it. Okay. Stankey so what we, what
01:50:46
we came up with.
01:50:47
Is what we thought would be a reasonable based on
01:50:50
Other previously approved variances, that exceed code for larger buildings.
01:50:55
What we came up with was what we thought was
01:50:57
a good.
01:50:58
Median to
01:51:00
what the board would entertain since they've entertained it for
01:51:04
previous locations. Yeah. So what you see is what we.
01:51:07
Have developed, we didn't just.
01:51:09
Yes, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Different circumstances, AMANDA.
01:51:14
Unfortunately, but we're not getting any further tonight. So work
01:51:18
with our staff.
01:51:21
And let's get this resolved. We want you to be
01:51:23
happy in this community.
01:51:26
Alright. So we are in our agenda. We are down
01:51:30
to referrals. I believe.
01:51:33
I lost my place here.
01:51:35
We are moving on AMANDA. So Stankey and Stankey Ryan
01:51:39
and Eric for being here with us this evening, referrals
01:51:42
to committee of the whole.
01:51:43
I didn't hear anything. Any announcements, anybody have appetite for
01:51:48
announcements anymore?
01:51:49
And if not a motion to adjourn, move to Adur
01:51:51
order. And a second, second, all in favor, indicate by
01:51:54
saying aye. Aye. Aye. Oppos. NA aye. Stand ad.
01:51:57
Adjourned Stankey all for your time. This evening.
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