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Annual Town Meeting April 6, 2026
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Annual Town Meeting April 6, 2026

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  1. - Okay, we have 121 plus

    who have checked in, so

  2. if everybody could take their

    seats, we can get started.

  3. Okay. I'm Mark Kaplan,

    Wellesley's Town moderator.

  4. It is 7:01 PM Thank you for checking in.

  5. Early on Wednesday, April 6th, 2026,

  6. I have been informed that we

    have more than 121 town meeting

  7. members checked in.

  8. So I will now formally

    call the third session

  9. of Wellesley's 2 0 2 6 annual town meeting

  10. to order this session.

  11. And all subsequent sessions

  12. being televised on Comcast

    Channel eight, Verizon Channel 40

  13. and all sessions are live

    streamed by Wellesley Public Media

  14. and Archive For future reference

  15. or viewing, please turn

    off all cell phones

  16. and other devices that

    make noise of any kind.

  17. Town meeting members should all be

  18. seated in the front section.

  19. Residents who are not town meeting members

  20. and others should be seated in the rear.

  21. And staff members

  22. and members of boards

  23. who will be participating

    in tonight's session

  24. can also obviously be

    sitting in the front,

  25. but if they're not town

    meeting members not

  26. voting on voice votes.

  27. And this is a public school building.

  28. So once again, under Massachusetts

    general laws, no firearms

  29. of any kind or smoking

  30. of any kind is permitted in this building.

  31. Now tonight, sixth special day in

  32. Wellesley's history and

    I'm gonna call upon Mr.

  33. DeFazio of Precinct F to

    remind us of the occasion.

  34. - Good evening

    - Everybody. Can you hear me okay? Yeah.

  35. My name is Tory DeFazio Precinct f Mr.

  36. Moderator Mr. DeFazio.

  37. 50 years ago I had the privilege

  38. of serving on the town

    Centennial Committee.

  39. We planned for three years with a budget

  40. for a year long celebration during 1981.

  41. Since then, when a town meeting

    session falls on April 6th,

  42. we celebrate again.

  43. Today is April 6th, 2016.

  44. It is the 145th birthday of the town.

  45. And I am pleased to present

    the following resolution,

  46. Town of Wellesley 145th

    birthday resolution.

  47. Whereas the town of

    Wellesley was incorporated

  48. as a municipality by the state legislature

  49. and signed by the then

    governor of the Commonwealth

  50. of Massachusetts on April 6th, 1881.

  51. And whereas this action of

    successful incorporation

  52. was the result of 110

    years of previous attempts

  53. to separate from the town of Needham.

  54. And whereas this new

    town was named in honor

  55. of the Wells family

  56. and Isabella Pratt Wells, the wife

  57. of the generous benefactor

  58. and town leader, Horatio Hollis Honeywell,

  59. who donated the land

  60. and the grounds on which to

    build the new town's seat

  61. of government, Wellesley Town Hall.

  62. And now therefore be it resolved

  63. that this town meeting acting

    on behalf of the citizens

  64. of the town of Wellesley, recognize

  65. and acknowledge that

    April 6th, 2026 is the

  66. 145th birthday of our great town.

  67. And be it further

    resolved that we recognize

  68. and salute the efforts of

    previous town meetings,

  69. which responded to the desires

  70. and the needs of the citizens

  71. to build Wellesley into

    the outstanding community

  72. for which it is known today.

  73. And be a further resolve

    that we acknowledge

  74. and convey our gratitude to the generous

  75. and dedicated volunteers in

    this town who continue to work

  76. for good government, protect

  77. and preserve the natural

    beauty of our community,

  78. strengthen our schools and libraries,

  79. and support all of the services

    for the good of all citizens

  80. and be it further resolved

    that we as elected officials

  81. and town meeting members,

    renew our commitment to town

  82. to work for good government

    in the spirit of our founders.

  83. And may this resolution be made part

  84. of the official proceedings

    of this town meeting

  85. and recorded by the town clerk presented

  86. by Salvatore DeFazio II on the sixth day

  87. of April, 2026, approved by Mark Kaplan,

  88. the moderator, and attested

    by Catherine Cato, town Clerk.

  89. And I would like to just mention

  90. that during the break today,

  91. please join us in celebrating the town's

  92. birthday with a cake.

  93. You probably notice it on the

    way coming in, it's courtesy

  94. of tonight's refreshment sponsor,

  95. the Wellesley High School Key Club.

  96. So thank you very much and

    happy birthday Wellesley.

  97. - And, and thank you Mr. Dio.

  98. And we'll be taking a

    break at approximately 8 45

  99. and we'll allow a couple of

    extra minutes to make sure

  100. that everybody has a chance

    to have a piece of cake.

  101. I'm told that it can be cut

    up into enough small pieces

  102. for everyone, so please enjoy it.

  103. Okay, so I hope everybody

    had a chance to review the

  104. moderator's bulletin, which

    I set out the schedule

  105. for tonight and for tomorrow

    night, we should be able

  106. to complete this town meeting.

  107. In the four sessions

    tonight, we're gonna have

  108. seven articles that have

    been sponsored by the Board

  109. of Public Works and two

    motions under Article

  110. 15 that are being put forth

  111. by the Community Preservation

    Committee, one of them,

  112. which happens to involve the

    Department of Public Works.

  113. So hopefully we'll be

    able to get through all

  114. of those tonight

  115. and tomorrow night we're

    gonna start with Article 22,

  116. which is the Contributory

    Retirement Board article on

  117. increasing the COLA base.

  118. Then we have two motions put

    forth by the planning board,

  119. one having to deal with

    a comprehensive plan

  120. and the other with the issue of the Rios.

  121. So, you know, hopefully

    we'll be able to include both

  122. of those tonight in a timely fashion.

  123. So that's the schedule for tonight

  124. and now for the test question,

    in order to make sure

  125. that everybody's electronic

    voting devices are working

  126. properly, no mystery about

  127. what the question would

    be tonight, which is

  128. who will win tonight's

    NCAA championship game.

  129. Press one for UU press, one for Yukon, two

  130. for University of Michigan,

    and three for you.

  131. Don't know or don't care.

  132. Okay. The voting period is now open.

  133. Okay. Definitely a hometown crowd

  134. be bets will be taken during the break.

  135. So if, if anybody's vote did

    not record properly, come on up

  136. and Michelle, our administrator,

  137. will see what the problem is.

  138. Okay? So if anybody's vote

    was not properly recorded,

  139. come on up to the table

  140. where the administrator is

  141. and we'll get you a new device

    or fix the one you have.

  142. So we can now open up the formal business.

  143. And I recognize Mr.

  144. Wexler, chair of the Board of Public Works

  145. to make the motion under Article 11.

  146. We guess we know how he voted.

  147. - And you're gonna see

    a lot of this tonight.

  148. So I I I thought about, you know,

  149. I normally wear a dress shirt,

  150. I wish I had a Michigan dress shirt.

  151. I don't. So this is what you get.

  152. And I have family that went to Yukon.

  153. So tonight's a big night.

  154. So this is the first of

    several motions. And Mr.

  155. Moderator, Jeff Wexler precinct, Mr.

  156. Wexler and Chair of the Board

    of Public Works. Thank you.

  157. I ask that you waive the

    reading of the motion

  158. as it appears on the screen

    and was distributed in advance.

  159. - Reading of the motion is waived.

  160. - Thank you. And so this will be the first

  161. of several motions that you'll,

  162. you'll hear from our

    department this evening.

  163. Before I ask that the moderator

    recognize our wonderful

  164. director, Mr. Cohen, I

    would like to just say that

  165. number one, especially

  166. after the winter, we

    had, I think we can all

  167. recognize the wonderful and fantastic job

  168. that the Department of Public Works does,

  169. maintaining the

    infrastructure and providing

  170. service to this town.

  171. So I'd just like to thank them

    for the incredibly hard work

  172. that they provide for us.

  173. And that starts at the top

  174. and it goes through all

    100 plus staff members.

  175. And I'm very thankful to be on this board

  176. because I get to celebrate them

  177. and they really are wonderful.

  178. And so I'd just like to

    say one thing you'll hear,

  179. I just want to point out a, a theme

  180. that we brought up previously

    in, in prior town meetings.

  181. You're going to hear about

    the investments that we need

  182. to make in our infrastructure

    here in town in

  183. particular tonight around water.

  184. And some of that will

    incur the raising of rates.

  185. We've done it a little bit in prior years

  186. and you're gonna see a

    little bit more of it.

  187. But we're proud of the

    fact that in the face

  188. of significant costs facing

    everybody in New England

  189. and in Massachusetts, we're

    actually doing a really good job

  190. of maintaining rates

    that we believe are some

  191. of the best around.

  192. And that goes back to the hard work

  193. of our staff that we rely on.

  194. So we'll welcome questions at any point,

  195. but I just want to point

    out that we are very,

  196. very lucky in this town, both

  197. because of what we pay for the service

  198. and the infrastructure that we have,

  199. but also for the quality that we receive.

  200. And so I'd just like to frame

    the entire evening with that.

  201. And now Mr.

  202. Mi asked that you recognize

    Dave Cohen, the director

  203. of the Department of Public Works. Yes.

  204. - Mr. Cohen.

  205. Mr. Moderat. Dave Cohen. DPW Director.

  206. Yeah, Mr. Cohen,

  207. small modification here.

  208. So I apologize in advance.

  209. You're gonna see me for

    eight presentations tonight.

  210. And coincidentally, there are eight towns

  211. in the Boston Marathon.

  212. So being that this is marathon season,

  213. I'll give you some way

    finding along the way.

  214. First presentation is Article

    11, we're in Hopkinton.

  215. So here we go. On behalf of

    the Board of Public Works,

  216. I'm pleased to present

    the FY 27 Water Enterprise

  217. Fund budget request.

  218. So for those of you new to town meeting,

  219. an enterprise fund provides

    a service to the community

  220. and charges the users of that

    service through its rates.

  221. The Enterprise Fund receives

    its funding solely from the

  222. fees that it charges, not

    from tax revenues of the town.

  223. In this case, the Water

    Enterprise Fund receives its

  224. revenues from the rates

    we charge for water.

  225. The budget is based on a break

    even cash flow projection

  226. of the water to be used during

    a moderate water usage year.

  227. We then modify our rates as needed

  228. to meet our projected

    capital and operating needs

  229. and actual weather conditions.

  230. For example, a hot dry summer

    versus a cold wet summer.

  231. So this is our proposed water

    budget for fiscal year 27.

  232. Compared to the current

    year, the total budget,

  233. including non-operating expenses

  234. and contingencies, is $14,385,866

  235. or 6.1% more than FY 26.

  236. The operating budget, personal services

  237. and expenses is essentially flat.

  238. The overall fund increase is

    primarily due to debt service

  239. and rate stabilization.

  240. Rate stabilization this year

    is for PFAS settlement funds

  241. and MWRA water loan

    proceeds, which will be used

  242. to offset future rate increases.

  243. This slide highlights the

    primary operating budget drivers

  244. personal

  245. Right there.

  246. Primary operating budget

    drivers personal services are

  247. expected to increase by 2%

  248. and includes general increases

    of 2% for management pay plan

  249. and 2% for group 40.

  250. We have 0% for our production

    unit supervisor unit,

  251. as those collective bargaining

    sessions are ongoing

  252. under expenses, you can see here

  253. that MWRA water purchases

    will increase by $90,000

  254. and expenses overall will

    decrease by about 132,000,

  255. mostly due to health insurance

  256. and reco retirement cost estimates

  257. that we received from financial services.

  258. Now turning to the capital budget

  259. for many years we have

    followed a deliberate plan

  260. to upgrade our water distribution system,

  261. which in many places is more

    than a hundred years old,

  262. actually dating back to 1884

    when the water system started.

  263. This includes a

    comprehensive plan to replace

  264. or rely pipe segments, upgrade hydrants

  265. and loop dead end

    sections throughout town.

  266. Our plans also target

    improvements to our water supply,

  267. including Wells treatment

  268. and our existing MWRA

    connection highlights in FY 27,

  269. sorry, include $1.15 million

    for water supply improvements,

  270. which include needed upgrades

  271. to our existing treatment plants

  272. and $1 million for distribution

    system improvements.

  273. So this slide shows our

    water capital budget plan

  274. through FY 31.

  275. In FY 28 through FY 30.

  276. You can see the impact

  277. of major projects that we have planned.

  278. - Oh,

    - Put that down.

  279. So in FY 28 through 30, you

    can see the impact in red

  280. of the major impact.

  281. The major projects we have planned.

  282. The larger red segments are for interim

  283. and permanent PFAS treatment

    construction, beginning

  284. with Mors Pond and FY 28,

    followed by Wellesley, ABB

  285. and FY 29 and Rosemary

    Longfellow and FY 30.

  286. The dash blue segments are placeholders

  287. for a potential second

    connection to the MWRA.

  288. This project would provide

    redundancy to our existing system

  289. and talks are ongoing with the MWRA

  290. and neighboring towns

  291. to see if this project will go forward.

  292. And for your information,

    we are expecting up

  293. to a 20% increase for water in FY 27.

  294. The makeup of that increase is 8%.

  295. For interim PFAS treatment

    design at the Wellesley Ave

  296. and Longfellow Wells, about 6%

  297. for permanent PAS treatment

    design at Morris's Pond.

  298. These funds were all authorized

    at last year's town meeting

  299. and this work is currently underway

  300. and about 5%

  301. of this rate increase

    reflects reduced revenue due

  302. to expected outdoor

    watering restrictions due

  303. to DEP drought declarations.

  304. More about that in a minute.

  305. As we contemplate larger

    than normal rate increases,

  306. we thought that it would be helpful

  307. to show our rate history.

  308. So this chart shows for

    the 10 years from FY 13

  309. through FY 22 that we had

    no water rate increase.

  310. So there was 0% increase in FY 23.

  311. You may recall we had a 50%

    rate increase driven PRI

  312. primarily due to to PFAS

    impacts including higher MWRA

  313. assessments reduced revenue

    from lower water water usage

  314. from a of of wet summer

  315. and ongoing capital improvements

    to the water system.

  316. After that, we return to

    smaller increases of 4% annually

  317. for FY 24 through FY 26 again,

  318. we're currently forecasting

    up to a 20% increase in FY 27,

  319. which will be considered by the Board

  320. of Public Works at a pub at a

    public hearing meeting in May.

  321. After that, the plan includes

    projected increases of 10

  322. to 15% over the next five years.

  323. Those projections are based

    on our current capital plan

  324. and conservative revenue estimates

  325. to make sure the water system

    remains financially stable.

  326. It has a mind of its own.

  327. So here you see a comparison

    of the cost of water, sewer

  328. and storm water for a

    household that uses 120 CCF

  329. or a hundred cubic feet of water per year.

  330. The combined total is comparable

  331. with our surrounding communities.

  332. We show the projected FY 27 number here,

  333. even though we don't yet

    have this information

  334. for our neighbor, our neighboring towns

  335. water is now a bit

    higher than our peers due

  336. to the rate increase needed back in 2022.

  337. But even so, our combined water

  338. and sewer rates continue

    to be very competitive

  339. with our neighboring communities

  340. and in the region, the Board

  341. of Public Public Works

    will be reviewing rates

  342. next month before a final

    rate structure is adopted

  343. for ffy 27.

  344. So coming back to the FY 27

    budget on the bottom line,

  345. you see that we're asking

    your authorization to spend up

  346. to $14,385,866 in our operating budget,

  347. our operating and capital

    budgets this coming year.

  348. And before I wind up, I

    just wanted to take a minute

  349. to give an update on a

    couple of important topics.

  350. Currently we're in a level

    two significant drought

  351. as declared by the state.

  352. This means that use of automatic

    sprinklers is prohibited

  353. and only handheld watering is allowed.

  354. The state's drought task

    force actually meets tomorrow

  355. to review the drought status.

  356. I'm hoping that with the

    weather that we've had recently,

  357. we might improve a little bit,

  358. but we'll see tomorrow if

    the status level improves

  359. to a level one drought,

    then one day per week

  360. watering will be in effect.

  361. So please stay tuned

  362. and program your irrigation

    systems appropriately

  363. and if needed, work with your

    irrigation company to comply

  364. with the restrictions.

  365. And we also encourage everyone to sign up

  366. for the online customer portal.

  367. This is a great tool to

    help you identify leaks,

  368. which will save you, save you

    water, and save you money.

  369. We ask for your favorable

    action on Article 11.

  370. - Okay, Mr. Riley, could we

    please have the recommendation

  371. of the advisory committee

    on the motion under Article

  372. 11? That's

  373. - Okay.

  374. Madison Riley Advisory chair

  375. and town meeting member

    Precinct F Mr. Moderator

  376. - Mr. Riley

    - Regarding Article 11

  377. advisory supports the Board

    of Public Works requests

  378. for the funds required to

    operate the Water Enterprise Fund

  379. for fiscal year 27.

  380. It funds the operating capital

    budgets proposed for, we find

  381. that the operating capital

    budgets proposed in this article

  382. appropriate the principle

    expenses of the water division are

  383. for the maintenance and

    operation of the town wells

  384. and distribution system,

    as well as for the purchase

  385. of supplemental water from

    the MWRA advisory notes

  386. that due to the need

  387. to mitigate PFAS levels in the

    water derived from town ponds

  388. and the increasing cost of

    the MWRA water BPW anticipates

  389. that this year's water use rate

  390. set in the spring will be

    20% higher than last year.

  391. As you just saw, advisory noted

  392. that the rate stabilization

    line item in the budget

  393. will help to re,

  394. to reduce rate shock if costs are actually

  395. higher than anticipated.

  396. Advisory greatly appreciates the quality

  397. of Wellesley's water and the

    way the water division is has

  398. handled PFAS

  399. and advisory recommends

    favorable action 12 to zero.

  400. - Alright, thank you Mr.

    Riley. And it's now 7 25.

  401. The floor is open for question, debate

  402. and discussion of the

    motion under Article 11.

  403. - Peter Welburn, precinct seat.

  404. - Mr. Welburn?

    - Yes, Mr.

  405. Moderator, I had a question for

    Mr. Cohen through you first.

  406. Mr. Cohen, I've given you this compliment

  407. before I, I think you

    do an outstanding job

  408. with your presentations consistently.

  409. My question was about the capacity

  410. of the current water system in town.

  411. Do you and your team evaluate

    what capacity in terms

  412. of number of homes, number of residents

  413. that the existing system can serve?

  414. And are we getting close

    to maximum capacity?

  415. So my question's about capacity

  416. - Of the water system, Mr. Cohen.

  417. The question is the capacity

  418. - Mr.

  419. - Mr. Cohen?

  420. - So I don't have the exact numbers handy,

  421. but it in general, we

    have plenty of capacity.

  422. So capacity is not an issue.

  423. We, we, we recognize

  424. that there's significant

    development happening in town

  425. and we don't foresee any

    issue with being able to meet

  426. that demand through our current system.

  427. - Patty Quigley? Yes. Precinct

    - Ms. Quigley

  428. - Through you Mr.

  429. Moderator? 20%

  430. increase is a lot of money to be asking.

  431. I think if we were asking

    for 20% increase in our

  432. property tax, that would

    have to go to the town.

  433. This is also somewhat considered a tax.

  434. And why don't we have

    to go to the town for

  435. that size increase?

  436. - Okay. Mr. Mr. Cohen,

  437. - Dave Cohen, Mr. Moderator,

  438. - Mr. Cohen.

  439. - So for the water and sewer

    fund as an enterprise fund,

  440. the process is that there'll

    be a public hearing,

  441. public hearing through the Board

  442. of Public Works, which has that authority.

  443. And that's the, that's the

    process that we go through

  444. for rate increases for water.

  445. So we'll be advertising

    that public hearing soon,

  446. we invite anybody to come.

  447. The 20% is a maximum level, so

    it might be lower than that,

  448. but that'll be the

    opportunity for the board

  449. to hear any comments that

    the, the community might have

  450. and take that under advisement

  451. as they think about the rate

    increase as we go forward.

  452. The choice that we'll have to

    make is about whether we wanna

  453. move forward with PFAS treatment.

  454. So that's really what

    it's gonna come down to

  455. for the board's consideration.

  456. - So is this something that hasn't,

  457. this 20% hasn't been determined for sure.

  458. Sorry, through you Mr.

    Moderator follow up?

  459. - Yes, Ms. Squiggley?

    - That's correct.

  460. Nothing has been decided

    yet, but we're anticipating

  461. and we're projecting that

    the recommended rate increase

  462. will be up to 20%.

  463. - Okay. So when this

    increase is determined,

  464. are we gonna know how much

    the projects are gonna cost?

  465. It sounds like we're

    paying for these projects

  466. ahead of them.

  467. We have, and this is seems

  468. to be quite a bit,

  469. - Mr.

  470. Moderator. So actually the,

    the increases for projects

  471. that have already been authorized, this is

  472. for the design work that

    has already been approved

  473. by town meeting and the the pilot testing

  474. for that work is underway.

  475. The design work will be moving forward.

  476. And so what happens is

    those projects will get,

  477. will actually we'll do a

    borrowing for for that work.

  478. And then the rate increases needed

  479. to pay off the debt service

    of that when it comes about.

  480. So it's for projects that

    have already been approved

  481. and the work will be done

  482. and then the money will be borrowed.

  483. And that's why we need to raise the rates.

  484. - Okay. So, all right. And

    then f another question.

  485. - Okay. One more question Ms. Quigley,

  486. - I'm sure.

  487. - Can we grab by Patty

    quickly, very clear and Cohen

  488. - From a sound perspective

  489. - Well thank, thank you

    for raising that question

  490. because I was gonna say

    something after this.

  491. The reason I have not been

    reframing the questions is I

  492. cannot understand anything

    that's coming from either

  493. of the side microphones.

  494. I can hear Mr. Cohen perfectly.

  495. - For us, it's the opposite

    - For us,

  496. it's a little opposite

    from this microphone.

  497. Sometimes people sound,

  498. - Well, what I'm getting, what what

  499. I'm getting is a total echo.

  500. - Okay, well,

  501. - So, you know, ask the question.

  502. I think Mr. Cohen can hear it. Then

  503. - My final question is, if the rates go up

  504. and whatever, the rates go

    up and we finish the project

  505. and get the money we need for PFAS

  506. and all of those other things,

  507. are the rates gonna come back down?

  508. I didn't get, I I know you

  509. talked about it in your presentation.

  510. I just, it was too fast for me.

  511. - Sure. Could we bring

    the presentation up real

  512. quick to the presentation?

  513. - What slide?

    - It's the, the rate history slide.

  514. Great. History Seven.

  515. That's the one. So this is what

    we're projecting right now.

  516. Where there is a an FY 27, the black bar

  517. shows approximately 24

  518. or shows 20% followed by 15, 10

  519. to 15% over the next few years.

  520. And then tailing off after that.

  521. As, as those projects fade away.

  522. The other major impact

    on rates is you saw the,

  523. the blue hash line for the MWRA project,

  524. which is not a real project yet.

  525. It's just a concept that's

    baked into these rates.

  526. If that project doesn't happen,

  527. then you configure these

    will all drop by, pardon me,

  528. those will all drop by

    five to six to 7% if

  529. that project doesn't go forward.

  530. - Okay. Mr. Mary,

    - Mr.

  531. Mayor, moderator Paul,

    Mary precinct, G Mr.

  532. Mary through you to Mr. Cohen,

    what proportion of the cost

  533. of the PFAS remedial efforts is

  534. being covered by settlements

  535. or legal efforts to make the people who

  536. initiated the PFAS business into to,

  537. to offset our cost. Thank you.

  538. - Okay. I heard the

    first part of that. Okay.

  539. Which is how much of the cost

    of the PFAS is part of the,

  540. gonna be paid for out of the settlement?

  541. - Can't do the math. And

    my Mr moderator Dave Cohen,

  542. I can't do the math in my head,

  543. but the total cost of

    the PFAS re remediation,

  544. if we do it in all three treatment plants,

  545. we're talking about

    something like $35 million.

  546. The settlement will bring us in something

  547. like two to $3 million.

  548. So it's a fraction of the

    cost, but it's something,

  549. and we look forward to

    those dollars coming in.

  550. - A follow up please, Mr.

    Moderator a follow up, please?

  551. - Yes. Yes. Mr. Mary,

    - Is there any,

  552. any additional litigation

    pending now on account

  553. that PFAS that might generate more revenue

  554. to offset the cost?

  555. - Any, any additional litigation

    on the PAS, Mr. Cohen,

  556. - Mr.

  557. Moderat, Dave Cohen,

    Mr. Cohen? There is not.

  558. Right now the, the main issue

    that we have in Wellesley is

  559. that the source of PFAS is ubiquitous.

  560. So there isn't, it isn't though

    as though there's a company

  561. that's producing it

    that, that we can go to.

  562. And so unfortunately there

    is no, there's no smoking gun

  563. that we were able to identify

  564. - Ms.

  565. Cobbin,

  566. - Pam Cobbin

    - Precinct, Ms. Cobbin

  567. - Through you Mr.

  568. Moderator, I'd like to ask

    Dave Cohen if we, we have

  569. to abide by federal

  570. and state mandates that require us to have

  571. to lower the PFAS in our water

    in some way or their numbers

  572. and figures that we have

    to adhere to, which to me

  573. that would mean that we have no choice

  574. - To the microphone please. Yeah.

  575. - Did everybody hear me?

  576. I think you can't hear me but

    everybody else can. Sorry,

  577. - That speaker may not working.

  578. - Mr. Cohen.

    - I got it. Dave Cohen, Mr. Moderator.

  579. So essentially that is correct.

  580. The choice is to treat or not to treat

  581. and in our case we're fortunate we have

  582. three water treatment plants.

  583. So there could be a decision

    to not treat at one of them

  584. or two of them and take

    more water from the MWRA,

  585. which is more expensive.

  586. I don't think that's the

    path that we're going,

  587. but that that is the

    decision that the board will,

  588. will ultimately have to make.

  589. - But three Mr. Moderator,

    we are required by law

  590. to do that, isn't that correct?

  591. We have to do that. We have

    to have certain numbers.

  592. - The extent to which we're

    required by law Mr. Cohen.

  593. - Correct? Right. So if we don't treat,

  594. we'll have to shut down the plants.

  595. So thank you for clarifying that point.

  596. - Okay, thank you very much.

  597. - Okay, Mr. Baker Moderat,

    - Sean Baker precinct

  598. - At Mr. Baker

    - And drew

  599. - You to Mr. Cohen

  600. and I, I think you may

    have just answered part

  601. of my question, but we've

    been seeing the capital

  602. expenditures brewing for a

    while, both on the remediation

  603. of the existing wells

  604. and also getting more MWRA water.

  605. And so just a thought, the

    thought process now is none

  606. of those decisions have been made.

  607. If I took that correctly from the answer

  608. to the last question

  609. and then the follow up is just that, given

  610. that the town has quite a

    few other capital projects,

  611. is forming a capital committee,

  612. I know these are different

    pools with a separate fund,

  613. but is there any thought of coordination

  614. to think about prioritizing

    whether you ultimately could do

  615. both of these projects,

    one of these projects?

  616. Or will it get wrapped up with

    the overall capital projects

  617. and prioritization?

  618. So that might be Mr.

  619. Moderator That part of the

    question could be to Mr. Cohen

  620. or to the select board in the

  621. formation of the capital committee.

  622. - Okay. Mr. Cohen,

  623. - Dave Cohen.

  624. Mr. Moderator. So the primary

    driver for us has been,

  625. as the previous question came is about

  626. our regulatory requirement.

  627. And so we're really

    aiming to tie, make sure

  628. that we're in compliance

    when those dates come

  629. and that's coming soon.

  630. So we certainly could

  631. and we should take a look

    at the, the whole landscape.

  632. But that for us has been the primary

  633. driver up to this point.

  634. - Mr. Jones,

    - Mr. Moderat, Pete Jones, precinct B

  635. - Mr. Jones,

    - Do I understand correctly

  636. that if we don't continue with our wells

  637. and continue supporting our wells,

  638. that we will lose them entirely due

  639. to state regulations, et cetera?

  640. - Are we in danger of losing

    our wells if we don't use them?

  641. I guess is that, is that the substance

  642. of the question Mr. Jones?

  643. - So Mr. Moderat and Dave Cohen?

  644. Yeah, if we do not treat for PFAS,

  645. we would be an exceedance of the federal

  646. and probably the state limits and

  647. therefore would not be able to

    pump water from those wells,

  648. - Which should give us

    a substantial problem.

  649. - Yes.

  650. - Mr. Baker?

    - Oh,

  651. just follow up on the

    second part of the question.

  652. So if I heard the first part

    to remediate the wells could,

  653. the existing Wellsley wells

    could be about 35 million.

  654. The total in the advisor

    report is an estimate

  655. of maybe 22 million to be determined

  656. for another MWRA connection.

  657. So it's just if there's some

    thought of coordinating,

  658. you know, potential 50

    plus million expenditure

  659. with the capital committee of

    the town as we're evaluating

  660. a number of large capital

    projects coming down the road.

  661. - Mr. Re So it just so happens

  662. that I think I'm gonna be on

    the capital planning committee

  663. and so I'll, I will certainly

    be sure to make sure

  664. that along with Joe McDonough,

  665. we'll we'll be talking

    about these significant

  666. projects in that plan.

  667. So thank you for that, that comment.

  668. - Mr. Wexler?

    - I, I'd like

  669. to just add one thing from the

    board perspective for that.

  670. - Answer the microphone please.

  671. - Just as a reminder to

    several of these questions.

  672. As a board, we look at this distinctly

  673. because it's an enterprise fund.

  674. So yes, coordination through,

  675. through capital planning

    across the town is wonderful.

  676. But also we run this as a business.

  677. So when as a board we look at this

  678. and back to even the

    rate setting question,

  679. we have a responsibility

  680. to look at the

    infrastructure costs specific

  681. to the water infrastructure

  682. and the water legal requirements

  683. that come from the Department

    of Environmental Protection.

  684. And we have to look forward.

  685. So all of this rate increase

    in all of this planning

  686. in any decisions we make about raising

  687. or lowering rates always

    comes back to are we able

  688. to have a self-sustaining

    enterprise independent

  689. of the tax base because

    the taxes do not fund

  690. this part of the operation.

  691. This is funded by the rate payers.

  692. So as a board that's the critical

    distinction we make from,

  693. for instance, when we're deciding

    about paving your streets

  694. and things like that

    which come from tax funds.

  695. So just wanna make sure that's

  696. clear 'cause these are great questions.

  697. I just wanna make sure everyone

  698. understand how we think about it. Okay,

  699. - Thank you Mr.

  700. Wex. Right, I, and I hope

    people noticed how Mr.

  701. Wexler was speaking into the

    phone, into the microphone.

  702. 'cause that was the first

    comment from the floor

  703. that I could understand in here.

  704. And it may be that turning

    the mic to the side so

  705. that it's parallel to the

    stage may, may have helped.

  706. And also the distance, you

    don't want to be right on top

  707. of the microphone but,

    'cause I think that's

  708. what causes the echo.

  709. But if you may be eight to 12 inches away,

  710. that may help it carry up here.

  711. Okay.

  712. Alright. I'm not seeing anybody else.

  713. Are there any non-time meeting

  714. member residents who wish to speak?

  715. Okay, I guess we're ready for the vote.

  716. I think we can do this on a voice vote.

  717. All in favor say aye. All

    aye. All the opposed say nay.

  718. Motion one under Article 11 carries

  719. unanimously by voice vote.

  720. Article 11 is closed.

  721. Article 12 was approved as

    part of the consent agenda.

  722. So we now move to Article 13.

  723. Article 13. And I recognize Mr. Wexler

  724. - Dave's so good.

  725. He now wants to take my job too.

  726. Wow, this really is high

    up. Thank you everybody.

  727. And Mr. Moderator, Jeff

    Wexler precinct a Mr.

  728. Wexler and chair of the

    Board of Public Works.

  729. I ask that you waive the

    reading of the motion

  730. as it appears on the

    screen reading the motion

  731. is waived previously.

  732. Thank you. It's actually really useful

  733. to have this come up directly

  734. after we spoke out about water,

  735. because what you'll see with this is

  736. that we will not be

    increasing the rates and

  737. because it is a separate enterprise fund,

  738. if you'll remember we recently set it up

  739. that way when we began this enterprise.

  740. And this is one of the benefits of

  741. that is we can distinctly determine

  742. and independently determine

    the infrastructure needed

  743. to handle storm water

    separately from our sewer

  744. and our water and, and the

    scenarios are different.

  745. So with that I'm pleased to ask Mr.

  746. Moderator that you once

    again recognize Mr. Cohen?

  747. Yes, Mr. Cohen.

  748. - Mr. Moderator. Dave Cohen.

  749. Yes, Mr. Cohen, director of

    Public Works. We're in Ashland.

  750. It's just in case you're

    following along on, on behalf

  751. of the Board of Public Works, I'm pleased

  752. to present the FY 27 Stormwater Enterprise

  753. Fund budget request.

  754. So as many of you know, the

    new Stormwater Enterprise Fund

  755. was adopted in 2023

  756. and fees for the program started

  757. to be collected in July of 2024.

  758. Similar to our other

    enterprise funds, the ongoing

  759. and projected requirements

  760. of the stormwater program are

    now funded from fees charged

  761. to each customer and tax dollars are no

  762. longer appropriated for this purpose.

  763. Stormwater fees are based on the amount

  764. of impervious surface on each

    property using an equivalent

  765. residential unit or ERU calculation

  766. for equitable distribution

    of program costs.

  767. The fee is charged to all

    non municipal properties

  768. and set with the aim of

    maintaining rate stability

  769. through long range planning.

  770. Based on the approved budget, the Board

  771. of Public Works will review and

    finalize the stormwater fee.

  772. And as you'll see, we

    anticipate no change in

  773. the fee this year.

  774. Wellesley maintains an

    extensive drainage system

  775. that includes 10 primary

    watersheds with all

  776. of our drainage eventually making

  777. its way to the Charles River.

  778. The system includes drain

    pipe, brooks catch basins,

  779. culverts, and the equipment

    used to support the program such

  780. as street sweepers and the

    vector truck shown here.

  781. Here you see the requirements

    of our MS four permit issued

  782. by the Environmental Protection Agency.

  783. MS four stands for municipal

    separate storm sewer system.

  784. Our storm water drainage

    system is different

  785. and separated from the

    sanitary sewer system

  786. that flows from each customer's home

  787. and eventually arrives at the MWRA sewer

  788. treatment plant on Deer Island.

  789. Our stormwater drainage

    system instead conveys

  790. water into the Charles River.

  791. In the middle of the page you

    can see the phosphorus control

  792. plan, which is a mandated program

  793. that identifies specific targets

  794. to reduce phosphorus in our stormwater.

  795. Many of the program elements

  796. that you see here have been

    in place for many years

  797. and will require increased investments

  798. to comply in the coming years.

  799. So turning to the budget,

  800. here's our proposed stormwater

    budget for fiscal year 27.

  801. Compared to the current year,

    the total budget highlighted

  802. in yellow and including capital

  803. and contingencies is $2.96 million

  804. and level funded from FY 26.

  805. Personal services are

    expected to increase by 1.2%

  806. and like all of our other

    budgets include general increases

  807. of 2% for management pay plan

    staff, 2% for group 40 staff

  808. and no increase for union staff.

  809. I'll get the H and the S

    categories squared away at some

  810. point, but old old habits die hard here.

  811. The stormwater personal services

    budget reflects the effort

  812. of about 10 FTEs.

  813. There's no change in expenses, capital

  814. or contingency in FY 27.

  815. So the bottom line shows

  816. that we're seeking your authorization

  817. to spend $2,963,327

  818. in FY 27.

  819. And again, there's no

    increase in the stormwater

  820. fee expected this year.

  821. As a reminder of how our fees are set up,

  822. we use the median impervious area

  823. or IA for a single family

    residential property.

  824. The median amount is referred to

  825. as an equivalent residential unit

  826. or ERU, which in Wellesley

    is 3,100 square feet

  827. of impervious area.

  828. We separate properties into

    four tiers for the purpose

  829. of calculating an an equitable

    fee across a wide range

  830. of impervious area throughout town.

  831. Tier four also includes non-residential

  832. and multifamily residential properties.

  833. The chart at the bottom

    of this slide shows

  834. the rate for each tier.

  835. About half of all properties

    are considered to be equal

  836. to one ERU properties

  837. with less impervious area

    are considered to be 0.7 eru

  838. and properties with more

    impervious area are considered

  839. to be 1.7.

  840. ERUs properties in tier four

    are calculated proportionally

  841. based on their actual impervious area.

  842. What that means is that

    the average single family

  843. residential property is

    charged an annual fee of $225

  844. and this fee appears on your

    utility bill in the amount

  845. of $18 and 75 cents each month.

  846. The Board of Public Works will

    have a public hearing in May

  847. before fees are finalized

    and adopted for next year.

  848. Again, we're planning no

    increase in stormwater this year.

  849. It's our goal to provide stable

  850. and predictable rates for our customers.

  851. And we've taken a long-term

    view to help ensure

  852. that the current fee of $225

    per ERU will not be increased

  853. through FY 29 and

    hopefully well beyond that.

  854. We thought it would be helpful to show you

  855. how the proposed fee stacks

    up with some of our neighbors.

  856. When we first started compiling

    this data, it appeared

  857. that our fee was higher than others.

  858. We learned a couple of important things

  859. during this benchmarking exercise.

  860. First, we found that some towns decide

  861. to not fund their entire

    storm water through their fee.

  862. Instead, they continued

    to use tax appropriations

  863. to fund portions of their program.

  864. For example, Newton charges

    a flat $148 per year

  865. and this does not cover the

    cost of their capital program,

  866. which is about $3 million per year.

  867. One other thing that we found is that many

  868. of the early stormwater fee

    adopters have not yet had

  869. to incorporate the full impact of of

  870. phosphorus control requirements coming

  871. with the latest EPA permit.

  872. I suspect that we'll see

    increased fees for most

  873. of these towns as they start

  874. to incorporate more fo phosphorus control

  875. measures into their program.

  876. One of the recent examples

    to come online is the town

  877. of Dedham, and they do

    include their full program.

  878. We see that their fee

    is just a bit higher,

  879. but in the same ballpark as ours.

  880. By comparison, needham's

    rate is much lower than ours

  881. and they still fund

    portions of their program

  882. through the general fund.

  883. Here we've got some more benchmarking.

  884. This slide shows some several

  885. recently adopted stormwater

    enterprise funds in the area.

  886. I think this indicates that

    our neighbors are finding

  887. that the enterprise

    fund model is a helpful

  888. way to address stormwater.

  889. And then you see this slide again,

  890. you see the benchmarking

    comparison that includes all three

  891. of our enterprise funds, the

    combined average residential

  892. bill for water, sewer, and stormwater.

  893. And again, keep in mind that Needham

  894. and Natick still funds some

  895. or all of their program,

    stormwater program

  896. through their general fund.

  897. As a reminder, we developed a

    stormwater property viewer so

  898. that anyone can look up their

    properties impervious area

  899. and to see their fee, you

    can go to this QR code

  900. to look up a property

  901. or you can go to the DPW

    stormwater webpage anytime

  902. to check out the property viewer.

  903. Just a word about abatements and credits.

  904. Abatements and credits

    are an important part

  905. of a successful program.

  906. Abatements are considered

    to address mapping

  907. and other issues that

    need to be corrected.

  908. And credits are important

  909. because we can't meet

    the permit requirements

  910. by town Action alone

    credits provide incentives

  911. for stormwater improvements

    on private land

  912. and help us comply with our permit.

  913. Partnership on public and

    private land is essential.

  914. This slide shows some of the credits

  915. that we're currently offering so far.

  916. The stormwater control

    measure credit is the most

  917. frequently credit that we've issued.

  918. And this slide shows the credit

  919. and abatement activity so far,

  920. which you can see has tailed

  921. off dramatically since we started.

  922. We encourage everyone to

    review the available credits

  923. and to reach out if you have any questions

  924. and need help applying.

  925. So the next two slides show some

  926. of the many stormwater

    related accomplishments.

  927. Over the past year, we've

    identified about a hundred capital

  928. improvement projects that

    are now in our work plan.

  929. We completed a green

    infrastructure project

  930. at Bates Elementary School.

  931. We completed design permitting

  932. and bidding for dredging of duck

  933. and reeds ponds, which

    you'll see under Article 15.

  934. And we completed an outfall rela

  935. replacement at Woodland Road.

  936. We also facilitated an Eagle Scout project

  937. to stencil catch basins

    with don't dump messaging.

  938. And we've applied for several state

  939. and federal grants to

    help offset the costs

  940. of the stormwater program.

  941. For more information, check

    out our website@wellsyma.gov

  942. slash 2 2 2 3.

  943. And if you have questions about stormwater

  944. or any of the D PW programs,

  945. please contact us anytime

    at dpw, at wellsy ma.gov.

  946. And we also encourage you

    to follow us on social media

  947. to stay up with all things dpw, we ask

  948. for your favorable action on this motion.

  949. - Okay, Mr. Riley, we'll now

    deliver the recommendation

  950. of the advisory committee

  951. - Madison Riley.

  952. Mr. Moderator Mr. Riley,

    regarding Article 13,

  953. the advisory committee

    believes that the operating

  954. and capital budgets proposed

  955. for the Stormwater Enterprise

    Fund are appropriate.

  956. It also remarked that this

    enterprise fund established in at

  957. the 2023 annual town meeting

    seems to be working as planned

  958. advisory recommends

    favorable action 12 to zero.

  959. - Okay, thank you Mr. Riley.

  960. The floor is now open

    for discussion, questions

  961. and debate on the motion under Article 13.

  962. Mr. Criswell,

  963. - Am I doing this right?

  964. Jeff? Paul Criswell precinct.

    H Mr. Moderator, Mr.

  965. - Criswell

    - Through you Mr.

  966. Moderator, I have a question about the,

  967. the rate stabilization fund

    and the emergency reserve.

  968. As I understand this, out

    of a total authorized use

  969. of almost $3 million, you've got about

  970. 650,000 of it.

  971. It goes into rate stabilization

    and emergency reserve.

  972. So I guess my question is what can,

  973. can you talk a little about

    the rate stabilization?

  974. What's the, the current

    level of, of that fund?

  975. I think it's been funded

  976. around $400,000 for the past few years.

  977. And do you have a, a policy as to

  978. how much you'll pay into it every year

  979. and at what point you'll

    start to use that in order

  980. to keep rate increases down.

  981. - Okay. Current Mr. Cohen,

    the, the current amount

  982. of the rate stabilization

  983. and is there a policy on

  984. how much show will be

    going into it each year?

  985. - Dave Cohen, Mr. Moderator,

    - Mr. Cohen.

  986. - So our rate stabilization

    fund we're endeavoring to

  987. put aside 10% of revenue into that fund.

  988. And so, so that, that's the

    contribution that we're,

  989. we're, we're aiming for.

  990. There is no formal policy in place,

  991. but with our new finance

    director, that's something

  992. that we've talked about

    and we are looking forward

  993. to coming up with standards for

    not just the, the stormwater

  994. but also for water and for sewer.

  995. I hope that answered your question.

  996. - Okay. Thank you. I think I saw

  997. Ms. Robinson right behind Mr.

  998. Chriswell. So Ms. Robinson,

  999. - I'll try Mr.

  1000. Moderator Marla Robinson precinct E

  1001. - So, so far so good.

  1002. - Okay, so I pulled this off the consent

  1003. agenda for a couple of reasons.

  1004. Several, I had several questions

  1005. and the DPW reached out to me

    and those were answered in Mr.

  1006. Cohen's presentation.

    I do have one comment

  1007. that I would hope the DPW board

  1008. and the DPW department

    would take seriously

  1009. and give some thought to.

  1010. We have a lot of new homes in Wellesley.

  1011. Most of the time they're very large homes

  1012. and compared to some of our

    surrounding towns, we don't have

  1013. as robust regulations in terms

  1014. of managing the water on properties.

  1015. And unless the developer comes

    under large house review,

  1016. there really is no way to manage that.

  1017. If the town is serious about

    managing its stormwater,

  1018. then I think it is really

    important that we look at

  1019. how water is managed on

    residential properties

  1020. and how it does not affect the

    neighboring properties along

  1021. with the town's properties.

  1022. So I would really recommend

    that whether the DPW works

  1023. with another town board

    to develop regulations

  1024. or new bylaws, I think it is

    time that we look at that.

  1025. Seriously. Thank you.

  1026. - Okay. Mr. Jones?

    - Pete Jones, precinct, Pete, Mr. Myron,

  1027. - Mr. Jones,

    - Through you, as you know

  1028. in the large homes came up as a,

  1029. as a topic just a minute ago.

  1030. We request that everyone

    takes all their storm water

  1031. and ba basically buries it

    in the ground in very large

  1032. devices called cold texts.

  1033. These devices cost tens

    of thousands of dollars

  1034. for these large homes, et cetera.

  1035. When you look at that, I, I see

    that you do a square footage

  1036. analysis, but when you

    look at that in the cost

  1037. that it costs these individuals

    to pay tens of thousands

  1038. of dollars for these cult techs,

  1039. how much revenue is

    lost on an annual basis

  1040. by these folks submitting a, a credit

  1041. or some sort of a reprieve from that

  1042. high stormwater U square footage?

  1043. - So the Mr. Cohen, the

    amount of revenue that's lost

  1044. by people who are using this device

  1045. that Mr. Jones referenced.

  1046. - Mr. Moderator, Dave Cohen. Yes, Mr. Be

  1047. - Mr.

  1048. Yep.

  1049. - So as far as the the

    credits go, that type

  1050. of device would be eligible for up

  1051. to a 50% credit on your rate.

  1052. This is the one you want.

    That's the, that's the one.

  1053. As you can see, we haven't had that many

  1054. of these credit applications so far.

  1055. I don't have the revenue amount,

  1056. but I would say that it's

    insignificant so far.

  1057. But we do encourage people

    to apply for that credit

  1058. as it does significantly

    reduce their stormwater impact.

  1059. - Yeah. Back up question Mr. Monte.

  1060. A second question on that.

  1061. So are you saying that possibly

  1062. we're not keeping track

    of the lost revenue

  1063. because if we don't get

    the revenue from those

  1064. larger houses, that puts

    more pressure on the smaller

  1065. dwellings, et cetera, that

    have less square footage.

  1066. And so I guess the question is,

  1067. it's revenue loss in both directions.

  1068. - Mr. Moderat, Dave Cohen? Yes. Mr. Cohen?

  1069. So we're keeping track

    of all of the credits.

  1070. I don't, I don't have the

    dollar amount available,

  1071. I don't have it on me right now,

  1072. but the value of any

  1073. of those credits would

    be 50% of their fee.

  1074. So if their fee was $225

  1075. and they could save 50 of it, 50% of that

  1076. through the credit, then

    they would save a hundred

  1077. and about a hundred dollars.

  1078. And if we've issued say one

    credit so far this year,

  1079. the lost revenue is

    about a hundred dollars.

  1080. - Okay. Thanks

    - Mr. Jaffe.

  1081. - Mr. Moderator, judge Jaffe precinct

  1082. - G Mr. Jaffe

  1083. - For Mr. Cohen?

  1084. For you, Mr. Cohen, quick question.

  1085. I hadn't appreciated this in prior years,

  1086. but if I understand it

    correctly now, so none

  1087. of the town properties are

  1088. contributing to this enterprise fund.

  1089. So in the sense that whereas like we

  1090. as homeowners are contributing

    based on our impervious

  1091. surface, if I understand

    correctly, no town department has

  1092. to budget for paying

    for, for example, a fee

  1093. for the high schools impervious services.

  1094. And so I guess the question

    is, is that correct

  1095. and how does that compare

    with the enterprise funds

  1096. for water and electricity?

  1097. So for example, is the

    school department or

  1098. or other departments having

    to budget for electricity

  1099. and water or are they also not paying?

  1100. If there is a difference, if

    you could just explain the

  1101. thought process behind

    that, that'd be great.

  1102. - Alright. Is, is there

    a different standard

  1103. for town property for the

    various enterprise funds?

  1104. - Dave Cohen, Mr.

    Moderator, this is Cohen.

  1105. So it is true that

  1106. all town properties are exempt

    from the stormwater fee.

  1107. That was what we found as

    we were developing the,

  1108. the stormwater enterprise.

  1109. That was the, seemed

  1110. to be the standard practice

    in the industry different from

  1111. water, sewer and electric,

    all town properties pay

  1112. for water, sewer, and electric services.

  1113. That has traditionally

    been the way it's done.

  1114. So there is a difference between the two.

  1115. And you are correct

  1116. - Paul, question

    - Go ahead. One more

  1117. - One, one quick call.

  1118. Was any analysis done of sort of how

  1119. that's affected the distribution of

  1120. who in the town is paying for

  1121. impervious services in the high

  1122. school and other town properties?

  1123. So I can imagine like being

    able to present to the town that

  1124. as a result of that decision,

    you know, these types

  1125. of homeowners are tending

    to contribute more

  1126. to those costs than other

    homeowners relative to what the,

  1127. the scenario was back when we were

  1128. paying out of property taxes.

  1129. - So the question has

    to do with what was the,

  1130. what's the impact of the

    policy regarding town

  1131. property not participating

    in the stormwater

  1132. - Mr.

  1133. Moderator Dave Cohen director.

  1134. So yeah, we did do some

    analysis about that.

  1135. And you might recall from our,

  1136. our presentation when we

    set up the enterprise fund,

  1137. the one thing that was

    added into the fund was

  1138. it's all properties

    except for town property.

  1139. So now it does include non non-profits,

  1140. which previously would've

    been exempt from taxes and

  1141. therefore not contributing to the,

  1142. to the stormwater program.

  1143. So now those nonprofits are so not

  1144. tax exempt properties are

  1145. contributing to the stormwater fee.

  1146. I don't have the analysis at the tip

  1147. of my fingers about the town properties,

  1148. but the thinking going into it was

  1149. we didn't think it would

    be a good way to go

  1150. to set up an enterprise fund

    that was gonna create a new tax

  1151. that the town would have to raise.

  1152. And so the town department

    budgets would then

  1153. have to increase to cover that.

  1154. And so that's the way we decided to do it.

  1155. It seemed prudent, but it is something

  1156. that could be discussed further.

  1157. - Thanks.

    - Okay, Ms. Dy?

  1158. - Christina Doherty precinct

    age. Ms. Dy through you.

  1159. So my question actually

    ties into a future article

  1160. that we're about to hear

    Article 15, motion two,

  1161. but basically it's the stormwater fund is

  1162. contributing $450,000

    to dredging of the pond.

  1163. And I'm just curious where

    that falls in the budget.

  1164. Where would that be the 'cause I'm

  1165. - Assuming that's a one time.

  1166. Thanks. Okay.

  1167. - Where, where does the dredging

  1168. money fit within the budget?

  1169. - Yep. Dave Cohen, DP of

    a director. Mr. Moderator.

  1170. So the, the money that we've allocated for

  1171. that is actually from our capital budget

  1172. and it's from prior year

    budgets that we have available.

  1173. So it's not an FY 27 expense,

  1174. that's from prior year capital

  1175. budgets that we have available.

  1176. - Okay. Ms. Quigley,

  1177. - Patty Quigley, precinct

    D, Mr. Moderator, Ms.

  1178. - Quigley.

    - David, did you mention

  1179. that the board was voting

    in May on the rates?

  1180. Did I hear you correctly?

  1181. - Is the board voting in

    May on the rates Mr. Cohen?

  1182. - Yes.

    - So as a follow up,

  1183. is there a reason why

    the board votes on rates

  1184. after town meeting as opposed

    to before town meeting?

  1185. - Why? Why is the board voting

  1186. after town meeting rather than before?

  1187. - Right. Actually the, yeah,

    good question. Dave Cohen, Mr.

  1188. Moderator. Mr. Cohen.

  1189. So the board would vote on the rates

  1190. after the budgets have been approved.

  1191. So it wouldn't be prudent for

    them to do that beforehand.

  1192. So I think traditionally that's

    why there's also some other

  1193. information that we get,

    especially from the MWRA

  1194. and so that information continues

  1195. to trickle in sometimes

    even after town meeting.

  1196. So the idea is that we're

    working on the latest

  1197. and greatest information when

    they go to set the rates.

  1198. - Okay. And then just

    as a more informational,

  1199. when our town does a budget, they can't go

  1200. between personnel and expenses.

  1201. - Answer the microphone please.

  1202. - Sure. And when our

    town does their budget,

  1203. they can't switch money between

    one category and another

  1204. and there's a difference with

    the schools that they can,

  1205. for the enterprise funds,

    can they move money around?

  1206. - Dave Cohen? Mr. Moderator?

  1207. - Okay, question? Yep.

  1208. Is can you move the money

    around after the budget

  1209. - Is approved?

  1210. No, we can't. So personal services

  1211. and expenses are separate

    and need to be kept separate.

  1212. - Okay. And then when you

    get a discount for impervious

  1213. services or Pious lan, do you need

  1214. to get that reviewed all the time

  1215. or once you have it evaluated, it kind

  1216. of sits on your property?

  1217. - Okay. Does the exemption

    have to be renewed?

  1218. - Dave Cohen, Mr. Moderator? Mr. Cohen?

  1219. I'm being advised that it

    stays with the property

  1220. so you don't have to seek that every year.

  1221. - Okay. Not seeing any more town meeting

  1222. members approaching the microphone.

  1223. Are there any non town

    meeting members in the back

  1224. of the hall who wish to be heard?

  1225. Okay, not seeing any? I think

    we're ready for the vote.

  1226. We can do this by voice vote.

    All in favor say aye. Aye.

  1227. All opposed nay. Motion one.

  1228. Under Article 13 passes

    unanimously by voice vote.

  1229. Article 13 is now closed.

  1230. Article 14 has previously

    been approved as part

  1231. of the consent agenda.

  1232. So we now turn to Article 15. Motion two.

  1233. Motion one has been approved

    as part of the consent agenda

  1234. and I recognize Mr. Murphy the chair

  1235. of the CPC for the motion.

  1236. - Thank you. Stephen

    Murphy, precinct D Chair

  1237. of the Community Preservation Committee.

  1238. - Yes. Mr. Murphy.

    - First off, Mr. Cohen, thank you

  1239. for the modification of the podium.

  1240. First I'd like to request the waiver

  1241. or the reading of the motion

    as it appears on the screen.

  1242. - Reading of the motion is waived

  1243. - And the motion has been

    distributed by time meeting.

  1244. This motion requests the

    appropriation of the lesser

  1245. of the sum of $750,000

  1246. or 50% of the cost

  1247. for from the town CPA

    fund for the dredging

  1248. of the Duck Pond and Reeds Pond.

  1249. The other sources of funding

    are from a prior NRC capital

  1250. appropriation and

  1251. as just mentioned the DPW

    Stormwater Utility Fund.

  1252. In a moment, the NRC director will walk us

  1253. through this project,

    but first I would note,

  1254. although he will go into further detail,

  1255. the bidding has closed, it's been opened,

  1256. a contractor has been selected and the,

  1257. and the costs have been established

  1258. and the cost of the project is

  1259. $1,485,800.

  1260. So 50% of that which is going

  1261. to be the amount expended

    from the CPA fund will be

  1262. 7,004 42,750

  1263. and which is about $7,200

    less than the seven 50 max

  1264. project qualifies for funding

  1265. of the Community Preservation

    Act as the preservation,

  1266. rehabilitation, and restoration

    of land for recreational use

  1267. and is preservation of open space.

  1268. However, since there's only

    about $10,000 in the open State

  1269. Space Reserve due to the CPA portion

  1270. of the North 40 death service,

  1271. the appropriation tonight

    is wholly from the

  1272. CPA Undesignated funds.

  1273. Little history. In a 2012

    special time beating,

  1274. tell many appropriated CP

    funds to cover a portion

  1275. of the cost for the dredging

    of Mors Ponds North Basin

  1276. and then a few years later we

    appropriated CPA funds first

  1277. for the design and then

    for the construction

  1278. of the pedestrian bridge at the duck pond.

  1279. So these two sides are things, activities,

  1280. is something we have done before.

  1281. Now, Mr. Moderator, I would request

  1282. that you would recognize Mr.

  1283. Brandis Schmidt, the director of the NRC,

  1284. who will carry on with this presentation.

  1285. - Yes, Mr. Schmidt? Thank

    - You.

  1286. - Thank you. Mr. Moderator.

  1287. Brandon Schmidt, natural

    Resources Commission

  1288. Director Mr. Schmidt.

  1289. And thank you Mr. Murphy.

    And good evening everyone.

  1290. Article 15, motion, oh, there we go.

  1291. Motion two, ask this Town meeting

  1292. to approve existing Community

    Preservation Act funding of up

  1293. to $750,000 for the dredging

    of Duck and Reeds Pond.

  1294. The Natural Resources Commission has care

  1295. and custody of 10 public ponds.

  1296. In coordination with the

    Public Works department.

  1297. The ponds are managed for

    water quality, recreation

  1298. and stormwater management.

  1299. The nature of the management

    strategy depends on several

  1300. factors and is primarily

    driven by the relative size

  1301. of the pond compared to its watershed.

  1302. With support from the Community

    Preservation Committee in

  1303. 2015, the NRC developed a

    comprehensive pond management plan

  1304. with former pond manager, Dr.

  1305. Ken Wagner. The plan was an extension

  1306. of the Moore Pond Management program.

  1307. Outlined the existing conditions

    of the town owned ponds

  1308. and made recommendations

  1309. for management including

    phosphorus reduction,

  1310. plant management, sediment removal,

  1311. and dredging in certain circumstances.

  1312. Beginning in January 25,

    McAllister Marine Engineering, one

  1313. of the town, one of the DP

    W'S on-call engineering firms,

  1314. began developing design

    documents for the dredging

  1315. of Reed and Duck Pond.

  1316. The designs were discussed

    and approved at NRC meetings

  1317. and then finalized

  1318. and submitted to the

    Wetlands Protection Committee

  1319. who issued an order of conditions.

  1320. That's the wetlands permit in November.

  1321. The project also requires a

    water quality certification from

  1322. the state, and that application

    is currently under review

  1323. by the DEP six of the town ponds.

  1324. Have been dredged over the last 30 years,

  1325. including the State Street pond

  1326. during the Fuller Book Park Restoration,

  1327. and a large portion of

    Moore's Pond in 2012 and 2013.

  1328. While regulations

  1329. and costs make dredging

    a challenging practice,

  1330. it remains essential for

    re restoring pond capacity

  1331. and also helps with other pond problems,

  1332. including rooted plants, algae

    mats, and oxygen depression.

  1333. In addition to the typical

    pond management practices,

  1334. as the DPW Director stated,

  1335. they conduct comprehensive

    street sweeping catch basin

  1336. clearing and brook maintenance programs

  1337. to help reduce the impact

    of uncontrolled sediment

  1338. and organic material.

  1339. The approved plans for

    Reed's Pond include dredging

  1340. approximately 1500 cubic

    yards from the pond

  1341. during the winter after the

    pond level has been lowered.

  1342. Dredging sediment will

    be dewatered in the pond,

  1343. then transported offsite.

  1344. The Reeds pond dredge

    material requires special depo

  1345. disposal as the soil samples

    included levels of arsenic

  1346. that exceeded thresholds

    for regular disposal.

  1347. While the DPW removes sediment

    from the four bay on a

  1348. regular basis, wreath's

    pond was last fully dredged

  1349. 28 years ago.

  1350. Duck Pond will be dredged

    in a similar fashion

  1351. after the pond has been

    lowered in the winter

  1352. and in two phases, two phases for the east

  1353. and west channels.

  1354. Approximately 950 cubic yards

    will be removed from the pond.

  1355. Duck pond was last dredged 20 years ago.

  1356. Both dredging projects are

    designed to limit disturbance

  1357. to the existing conditions at each pond.

  1358. The town received a total

    of seven competitive bids,

  1359. adding in construction management

  1360. and environmental compliance,

    as well as plan repairs

  1361. to the outlet structures at

    both ponds and contingency.

  1362. The total anticipated budget is

  1363. $1,485,000 and $800.

  1364. The requested CPC funds will

    be matched by existing NRC

  1365. and DPW capital funds.

  1366. This funding arrangement

    reflects the D-P-W-C-P-C

  1367. and NRCS collaborative partnership

  1368. and commitment to preserving, enhancing,

  1369. and investing in the

    highest quality out open

  1370. spaces for the community.

  1371. In closing, and on behalf

  1372. of all Wellesley Waterfall

    Waterfowl, I thank you

  1373. for listening and ask you

  1374. for your favorable action

    and welcome. Any question?

  1375. - Okay. Thank you Mr. Schmidt.

  1376. Mr. Riley, can we have the

  1377. advisory recommendation on

    motion two under Article 15

  1378. - Madison Re, Mr. Moderator

  1379. - Mr. Reilly,

    - Regarding Article 15, motion two.

  1380. Duck Pond at Town Hall

  1381. and Reed's Pond are

    special natural spaces.

  1382. They play a critical role

    in Wellesley's storm water

  1383. management advisory notes

  1384. that periodic dredging is important

  1385. for the pond's long term health.

  1386. For these reasons, advisory

    supports, this motion

  1387. advisory also feels the

    motion is appropriate

  1388. and appropriate use of CPC resources

  1389. and appreciates the cooperative

    effort between the NRC,

  1390. the DPW and CPC to

    preserve the functionality

  1391. and use of these ponds

  1392. and commend to all three entities

  1393. for supporting this project financially

  1394. Advisory recommends

    favorable action 12 to zero

  1395. with one abstention.

  1396. - Okay. The floor is now

    open for question, debate

  1397. and discussion on motion

    two under radical 15.

  1398. - Regina Larock precinct E.

    - Yes. Mr. Larock

  1399. - Through you.

  1400. Question to Mr. Schmidt. Yeah.

  1401. Could you elaborate on the

    source of arsenic in the pond

  1402. and how measures will be

    taken during the dredging

  1403. to prevent contamination?

  1404. - I think a lot of us are

    wondering about that. Mr. Schmidt?

  1405. - I, I'm sorry, Mr. Ade,

    what? What did you say?

  1406. - I said I think a lot

    of us were wondering

  1407. about that. I certainly was.

  1408. - Yes. Well, I was researching this.

  1409. The reality is we don't

    really know the source,

  1410. but this is, especially

    in reeds, this is one

  1411. of the largest watersheds

    compared to the pond.

  1412. So we have neighboring communities,

  1413. but much like PFAS, this arsenic is a,

  1414. a former product of

    agricultural pesticides.

  1415. So I guess this is the

    perfect opportunity to pitch

  1416. of converting your lawns

    to a pesticide free.

  1417. You can do it right now.

  1418. It's the perfect time of year

    to stop poisoning your yard.

  1419. But yeah, so I think the

    primary source of arsenic is

  1420. agricultural pesticides.

  1421. There is natural arsenic

    in our environment,

  1422. but again, I think there

    are different thresholds.

  1423. And this threshold was

    the first that's met

  1424. that requires special disposal.

  1425. - Mr. Moderator, Regina LaRoc?

    - Yes. Ms. LaRoc,

  1426. - I'm sorry.

  1427. If I could just make a follow

    up comment to what you said.

  1428. I think it's important for us to remember

  1429. that our ponds are the filtrate

  1430. through which our

    groundwater that we drink

  1431. happens to be there.

  1432. And so I guess I wanna underscore

    a topic we've discussed

  1433. before, which is that perhaps it is time

  1434. to really emphasize getting our

    drinking water from a source

  1435. that is not contaminated.

  1436. IE that doesn't require us to filter it.

  1437. So the MWRA has historically not had

  1438. as much contamination issues,

  1439. and I hope that the Board

  1440. of Public Works will be

    thinking about this with regard

  1441. to our drinking water

    sources in the future.

  1442. Just a comment. Thank you.

  1443. - Okay. Is there anybody else that

  1444. wishes to be heard on this? Mr.

  1445. - Moderat?

    - Oh, Mr. Jones. How did I miss you?

  1446. - Pete Jones precinct Pete.

  1447. Mr. Jones moderator,

  1448. this is a question on cost and whether

  1449. or not the culverts have been

  1450. checked out, they're

    supplying the duck pond

  1451. and whether there was any

    costs involved in that.

  1452. As many people know here in

    town, have been here for a while

  1453. that the site that Roach

    Brothers is currently on used

  1454. to be a crystal clear pond,

  1455. which they filled in in the early days,

  1456. and that's been ducked

    over to the duck pond.

  1457. And the question is, did

    we check out those routes

  1458. and the pricing?

  1459. Does that include any cleaning

    of those Culver paths?

  1460. - Okay. Has attention been paid

  1461. to the culverts leading to the ponds?

  1462. - The scope of this project

    does not include evaluation

  1463. of the culverts that drain into duck pond,

  1464. but there is a, a pipe in

    between the two channels that

  1465. was evaluated and will be cleaned out.

  1466. - Okay? No more town

    meeting members rising.

  1467. Anybody in the back of the

    hall, which should be heard?

  1468. Who are residents of the

    town? Okay. Not seeing anyone.

  1469. I think we're ready for a voice

    vote. All in favor say aye.

  1470. Aye. All opposed Nay. Motion two.

  1471. Under Article 15 passes

    by voice vote unanimously.

  1472. And Article motion two is closed.

  1473. And we move to article motion

    three under Article 15.

  1474. And I recognize Mr. Murphy,

  1475. - Stephen Murphy, precinct

    D Chair of the CPC

  1476. - Mr. Murphy.

  1477. - First of all, thank

    you for the last vote.

  1478. For the last vote. I request

    a waiver of the reading

  1479. of this motion as it

    appears on the screen.

  1480. And it's been previously,

    previously distributed

  1481. to town meeting members. Okay.

  1482. - The reading of the motion is waived

  1483. - Through this motion.

  1484. We request the appropriation

    of $450,000 to the Board

  1485. of Public Works for the third

  1486. and final stage of the DP

    W'S Playground Improvements

  1487. Project, and in this

    time addresses the needs

  1488. for the playgrounds at the Spring school,

  1489. the Honeywell Field

    tot Lot and Paren Park.

  1490. The project qualifies

  1491. for funding under the

    Community Preservation Act

  1492. as the rehabilitation of land

    for the recreational use.

  1493. The definition of rehabilitation

    on the CPA includes in part

  1494. that with respect to land

    for recreational use,

  1495. rehabilitation shall

    include the replacement

  1496. of playground equipment and

    other capital improvements.

  1497. The land or the facilities

    thereon, which make

  1498. or the related facilities more functional

  1499. for the intended recreational use.

  1500. Statutory language product

    includes also the replacement

  1501. of the playground surfaces

  1502. to meet the AADA a's

    accessibility standards

  1503. and to provide accessible

    play options for all children.

  1504. Providing such accessibility

  1505. and lands for recreation use

    is also an important goal under

  1506. the CPA through its definition

  1507. of rehabilitation in

    section one of the act.

  1508. Mr. Moderator, he's been resting

    for maybe about 10 minutes.

  1509. Would you recognize Mr. David

    Cohen, director of the public

  1510. or to pirate of the public works

  1511. who will continue with

    this presentation? Yes.

  1512. - Mr. Cohen.

  1513. - Dave Cohen. DPW Director, Mr. Moderator.

  1514. - Mr. Cohen,

    - If you're following your scorecard,

  1515. we're in Framingham

    now, so it's my pleasure

  1516. to present Article 15

    playground reconstruction.

  1517. This motion, this

  1518. motion seeks $450,000 in CP funding.

  1519. Funding for the third

  1520. and final year of our expedited

    playground replacement plan,

  1521. which will replace Warren

    Structures, improve safety

  1522. and accessibility, and

    provide for more contemporary

  1523. and thoughtful design to meet

    the needs of the community.

  1524. The town has 18 playgrounds at

    16 locations throughout town.

  1525. 11 playgrounds are on school

    property and seven are on NRC.

  1526. Property funding was approved last year

  1527. for Fisk Ette and Upham Playgrounds.

  1528. Work at FIS and Upham

    will start this summer.

  1529. An ette is scheduled for this fall.

  1530. Regarding uumm, we're

    planning only minor upgrades

  1531. until more definitive plans

    are made for that location,

  1532. but we have the funds and

    we're ready to do more work

  1533. and a more complete renovation

    at the appropriate time.

  1534. Our plan for FY 27 includes Sprague Perrin

  1535. and the Honeywell Honeywell Field tot lot.

  1536. To give you a sense of where things are,

  1537. here's a map showing all the

    playground locations throughout

  1538. town, the previously funded

    locations and and work is shown.

  1539. The blue circles and

    the playgrounds proposed

  1540. for FY 27 are shown in red.

  1541. This slide shows the scope of work

  1542. and estimated allocations for each

  1543. of the playgrounds in FY 27,

  1544. and that plan includes play

    structures, play surfaces,

  1545. fencing, and ad a DA improvements.

  1546. We appreciate the CP C'S

    support of this program

  1547. and we ask for your favorable

    action on this motion.

  1548. - Okay. Mr. Riley will now

    deliver the recommendation

  1549. of the advisory committee

    on Article Motion three

  1550. under Article 15,

  1551. - Madison Riley, Mr. Moderator

  1552. - Mr. Riley,

    - Regarding Article 15, motion three

  1553. CPC funds can be used for

    recreational activities

  1554. and play Playgrounds

    certainly fit that definition.

  1555. Delightful spaces for

    families to be outside,

  1556. enjoying playtime together

  1557. and promoting mental health and exercise.

  1558. This motion continues a

    multi-year plan to upgrade all 18

  1559. of Wellesley's Playgrounds,

    making them more safe,

  1560. playable, and accessible.

  1561. As one of our colleagues in

    this town meeting colleagues

  1562. pointed out, there's still

    work to be done at Upham.

  1563. We had claim, we had said

  1564. that if this passes all

    playgrounds would be upgraded,

  1565. but there's still work

    to be done at Upham.

  1566. As Mr. Cohen said, nevertheless,

    advisory fully supports

  1567. the use of these CPC funds

  1568. and appreciates the coordinated

    effort between CPC and DPW.

  1569. We recommend favorable action 12 to zero

  1570. with one abstention.

  1571. - Okay, it's now eight 19

  1572. and we will open the floor

    for question, discussion

  1573. and debate on the motion

    under motion three.

  1574. Under Article 15,

  1575. - Leanne

    - Leiman, precinct C Mr.

  1576. Moderat moderator? Yes, ma'am.

  1577. A question to through you,

    to Mr. Cohen, can you clarify

  1578. when the additional

    work at Uum will be done

  1579. and where will that money

    that you said is allocated?

  1580. Where is that coming from?

    Is it from the money that we

  1581. approved last year that was not spent?

  1582. - When will the work be done on Upham

  1583. and where's the money coming from?

  1584. - Right. Dave Cohen, DPW Director,

    Mr. Moderator, Mr. Cohen.

  1585. So the minor work

  1586. that we're planning will

    be this spring and summer.

  1587. And then our, our expectation

    is we've always been sort

  1588. of optimistic that we're gonna find out

  1589. what the final plans are for Uum,

  1590. but that's not forthcoming.

  1591. So we don't think it's prudent

  1592. to make significant investments

    at that location yet.

  1593. But we have the money and we're ready

  1594. to go when we get Word.

  1595. And I think the way I'm thinking of it is

  1596. that we'll continue to

    work with the school

  1597. and see what their intentions are.

  1598. And if it doesn't seem like

    there's going to be a plan

  1599. for Uum, then perhaps we just

    move forward with some sort

  1600. of renovation at that site.

  1601. Now maybe we review that over the winter

  1602. and then come into next spring with a plan

  1603. for doing something next year.

  1604. - Okay. And, and the money is coming

  1605. from what we approved last

  1606. - Year.

  1607. - We already have the money. Okay.

  1608. - Thank you

  1609. Mr.

  1610. Moderator. Regina Larock, precinct e Ms.

  1611. - Larock,

    - Many communities have banned

  1612. artificial turf or other plastic products

  1613. for use on playground surfaces.

  1614. And these products pose risks

    to children as well as toxins

  1615. that are leached into the ground.

  1616. So I'm curious if there

    could be an explanation

  1617. of the port in place surfaces

    that you're referring to

  1618. and how you are thinking

    about those issues with regard

  1619. to playground construction. Thanks.

  1620. - Okay. What consideration

    is given to the impact of

  1621. the artificial flooring and

    what's being done about it?

  1622. - Sure. Dave Cohen, DPW

    Director, Mr. Moderator,

  1623. - Mr. Cohen.

  1624. - So yeah, we are aware of concerns

  1625. with the port in place surface.

  1626. So as we look to u continue

    to use that surface at some

  1627. of our locations, we, we charge

    our vendors with making sure

  1628. that we have the, the most preferred specs

  1629. that we can look at, which

    is generally speaking, the,

  1630. the specifications that are

    coming outta California.

  1631. And we wanna make sure that

    we're, we're following that

  1632. to that standard.

  1633. I also will note that the

    NRC for the very reason that

  1634. the member mentioned, has decided

  1635. to move away from the poured

    surfaces on their properties.

  1636. And so for any NRC projects

    in general going forward,

  1637. we'll be looking for

    more natural solutions.

  1638. And to that regard, we'll

    be looking for natural,

  1639. so solutions as we go forward.

  1640. And what we're always trying

    to do is strike the balance

  1641. between the need to make sure

    that we have safe spaces,

  1642. healthy spaces, but also spaces

  1643. that are accessible for all of our users.

  1644. So it's a balance that

    we're trying to strike

  1645. and we'll continue to do the best we can.

  1646. - Okay. Mr. Fessler,

  1647. - Mr.

  1648. Moderator, Steve Fessler, precinct C Mr.

  1649. Fessler, through you,

    I'd like to first of all

  1650. rise in support of this motion

  1651. and compliment all the work

  1652. that's being done on the playgrounds,

  1653. but speaking on behalf

    of Precinct C would like

  1654. to very strongly urge Mr. Cohen

  1655. to not hold off on the up A plans until

  1656. the overall plan for Upham is decided.

  1657. Not because, not in favor of

    looking at forward on Upham,

  1658. but just realistically in light

  1659. of all the capital projects going on here

  1660. and the timeframe we're

    talking about, the little kids

  1661. who are now eligible

  1662. and looking forward to play

    on the new Uumm playground

  1663. might be attending this high

    school by the time that we,

  1664. we get to a set plan.

  1665. So please, please don't hold off on that.

  1666. And I'd, I'd like to ask if,

    what would the process be

  1667. to realistically look at how

    the UP plans would be applied?

  1668. - Okay. The, the process

    to determine when, when

  1669. you'll be taking care

    of the upper playground.

  1670. - Sure. Dave Cohen, DPW Director,

    Mr. Moderator. Mr. Cohen.

  1671. So the bottom line is that

    this is a school property

  1672. and so we'll, we're acting on their behalf

  1673. and we will take guidance from them.

  1674. So our role and our plan for

    this spring is to make sure

  1675. that we take care of any safety issues

  1676. and any, any minor things that,

  1677. that need immediate attention.

  1678. It's the school department

    who's gonna ultimately

  1679. decide what the plans are.

  1680. But that conversation

    will probably dovetail

  1681. with the town's capital

    planning process to see

  1682. what funds might be available

  1683. for whatever projects there might be.

  1684. So the reason why it's important to know

  1685. what the final disposition

    of that's gonna be is

  1686. because of the type of

    playground that you would put in.

  1687. If it was gonna be a play,

    a preschool for example,

  1688. there's a certain type

  1689. of structure that you might put there.

  1690. If it's going to be elementary age

  1691. or older, then you would

  1692. do something a little bit different.

  1693. So we need a little more information

  1694. before we can make that investment.

  1695. And I'm in constant conversation

  1696. with the school superintendent

    who, who is very much aware

  1697. and, and I'm sure they would like to come

  1698. to some conclusion about

    what they're doing on

  1699. that property, but that's,

    yet, it remains to be seen what

  1700. that will be, but know

    that it's something that

  1701. that will continue to move forward.

  1702. We understand the, the

    needs of the neighborhood.

  1703. We've heard from several

    folks from the precinct

  1704. and we're very much aware

    that we, we don't want it

  1705. to wait for too much longer. Alright,

  1706. - Thank you.

  1707. - Kathy Egan,

  1708. precinct CI have a yeah to you Mr.

  1709. Moderator, to really just a comment

  1710. on the up on playground.

  1711. I was there today with my

    two of my grandchildren.

  1712. I think it's absolutely fine.

  1713. I think it could, it could

    use a little bit of upgrading.

  1714. It does not totally need to be replaced.

  1715. The equipment is in very good condition.

  1716. My grandchildren enjoyed

    their four and six.

  1717. They were able to play.

  1718. I think we have so many

    capital projects we cannot

  1719. spend on everything.

  1720. And I think it's fine

    the way it's, thank you.

  1721. - Okay. Not seeing any town meeting

  1722. members approaching the microphone.

  1723. Are there any non town

    meeting members in the back

  1724. of the hall who wish to be heard?

  1725. Okay. Not seeing anyone rye. Oops.

  1726. Oh, I was faked out. Oh, okay.

  1727. I think we can do a voice vote on this.

  1728. All in favor say aye. Aye.

  1729. All opposed, nay carries

    by voice. Vote unanimously.

  1730. Article 15 is now closed

  1731. and I think we can do one more.

  1732. Let's do Article 16. The Honeywell

    Fields Irrigation System.

  1733. Mr. Wexler,

  1734. - Mr.

  1735. precinct eight. Chair Board Public Works?

  1736. - Yes. Mr. Wexler?

    - Thank you.

  1737. I ask that you waive the

    reading of the motion

  1738. as it appears on the screen

    and was previously distributed.

  1739. - Reading of the motion is waived.

  1740. - Thank you. And I ask that

    you recognize the director

  1741. of the Department of

    Public Works, Dave Cohen

  1742. to Mr. Cohen to this matter.

  1743. Thank you.

  1744. - Dave Cohen, DP of a

    director. Mr. Moderator.

  1745. Mr. Cohen, I'm in Natick

    now I need some orange

  1746. slices so somebody help me out.

  1747. So Mr. This article requests

    $500,000 from free cash

  1748. for the replacement and reconstruction

  1749. of the irrigation system

    at Honeywell Field.

  1750. The system is 40 years old, It's well

  1751. beyond its expected service life.

  1752. This project has been in our capital plan

  1753. and has been deferred previously

  1754. due to competing priorities.

  1755. The system provides

    irrigation on the south side

  1756. of the aqueduct for about

    five acres of ball fields,

  1757. including baseball, lacrosse, soccer,

  1758. and the practice football field.

  1759. The map on the lower

    left shows the location

  1760. and extent of the system piping,

  1761. which includes nearly two miles of piping

  1762. and over 130 sprinkler head

    mechanisms shown on the lower

  1763. right for your information.

  1764. The system does not use water

    from the town's drinking water

  1765. system and is entirely fed by stormwater

  1766. and groundwater from the

    nearby aqueduct designed

  1767. for this project was funded in FY 25

  1768. and we'll complete the work this summer.

  1769. If this is approved,

    just take a quick plug.

  1770. I also wanted to say, I'm

    remiss not saying it before.

  1771. I hope you've been able

  1772. to follow along in the advisory writeups.

  1773. I think the advisory book has a lot

  1774. of excellent detail about all our programs

  1775. and so really appreciate the

    work that they put into that.

  1776. We ask for your favorable

    action on Article 16.

  1777. - Okay, now I recognize Mr. Riley,

  1778. chair of the advisory committee,

  1779. - Madison Riley. Mr. Moderator

  1780. - Mr. Riley

    - Regarding Article 16,

  1781. Honeywell Irrigation system

    was originally installed in the

  1782. early 1980s.

  1783. I was in college now.

  1784. Now beyond its life expectancy

  1785. and regularly experiencing leaks,

  1786. the system has needed

    upgrading for several years

  1787. but has been delayed due

    to other town priorities.

  1788. Advisory notes that

    maintaining the irrigation

  1789. of these fields is consistent

  1790. with the town's water conservation plan

  1791. because the system uses only

    stormwater from the constituent

  1792. aqueduct and not from the town.

  1793. Water Supply Advisory sees

    this motion as reasonable,

  1794. timely, and an appropriate

    use of free cash

  1795. and advisory recommends

    favorable action 12 to zero.

  1796. - Thank you Mr. Riley. Okay,

    the floor is now open for

  1797. question, discussion and debate

  1798. for the motion under Article 16,

  1799. Mr.

  1800. Himmel Berger.

  1801. - David

    - Himmel, precinct H Mr.

  1802. - Himmel, - Mr. Moderator, I

    don't have a question on this.

  1803. I think I'm raising a point

    of order with regard to,

  1804. I'm looking for the, the reason,

  1805. but you can raise it

    for disorderly conduct.

  1806. And I just wanted to call out.

  1807. We have a mouse problem up here.

  1808. There are mice scurrying across the stage

  1809. and I wanted to alert Ms.

  1810. Cato, perhaps Mr.

  1811. McDonough to the fact

    that we have this issue.

  1812. A number of us saw it

    during the last discussion.

  1813. I didn't want to interrupt the

    conversation at that point,

  1814. but it was very unsettling.

  1815. - I didn't notice that Ms.

    Cato was at all nervous.

  1816. Anything further on this motion?

  1817. - Yes.

    - Okay.

  1818. I guess we're ready for the vote. We can

  1819. do this one by voice Vote.

  1820. All in favor, say aye. Aye. All nay. Okay.

  1821. The motion under Article 16 carries

  1822. by voice vote unanimously.

  1823. The motion under Article 16 is, excuse me,

  1824. article 16 is now closed.

  1825. Just hold on for one

    second please. Yes. Yeah.

  1826. Okay. So it's 25 off.

  1827. Why don't we all go

    have some birthday cake

  1828. and be back here by five minutes of nine.

  1829. He is carrying messages

  1830. - Seventh 2026 at 7:00

    PM in this same hall.

  1831. - All in favor say aye. Aye.

    Motion carries unanimously.

  1832. Okay. I recognize Mr.

  1833. Wexler for the motion under Article 19,

  1834. the intersection of

    Western and Lyndon roads.

  1835. - By way, it scores two, two

    for anyone that's wonder.

  1836. - Mr. Wexler. - So Mr. Moderator

    Jeff Wexler, precinct H?

  1837. - Yes. Mr. Wexler Board

  1838. - Of Public Works.

  1839. And I ask that you

  1840. not sure if it's we're

    getting some feedback.

  1841. Is that, is that okay? Is it

    screeching? Yep, it's good.

  1842. Okay. I ask that you waive

    the reading of the motion

  1843. as it appears on the screen

    and was previously distributed.

  1844. - Motion is waived. Reading

    of the motion is waived.

  1845. - Thank you. And I ask that

    you recognize Dave Cohen,

  1846. director of the DPW. Okay.

  1847. - And I think he's rounding

    into Wellesley now.

  1848. So for those who are paying attention

  1849. - Coming through the Scream tunnel.

  1850. Yeah. So Dave Cohen, DPW Director,

  1851. - Mr. Cohen moderator.

  1852. - So this article requests authorization

  1853. of $600,000 from free

    cash to fund the design

  1854. of improvements at the intersection

  1855. of Weston Road at Linden Street.

  1856. The advisory writeup on page 1

    44 provides excellent details

  1857. and background for this

    request, which seeks

  1858. to address longstanding

    traffic and safety issues.

  1859. Primarily, this project will seek

  1860. to add a dedicated left

    turn lane on the Weston Road

  1861. southbound approach to Linden Street.

  1862. The intersection will be

    upgraded with full signal in,

  1863. with full signalization to

    replace the blinking red

  1864. and yellow lights

    currently at this location.

  1865. Other improvements will

    include upgraded pedestrian

  1866. facilities, drainage, and

    retaining wall and fence work.

  1867. As mentioned in the advisory report,

  1868. the 2024 Special Town meeting approved

  1869. funds for land taking.

  1870. Since we needed the additional space

  1871. to construct these improvements,

    our grant application

  1872. for this project was denied,

  1873. but we recently received word

  1874. that we may receive a significant earmark

  1875. that could partially offset

    the cost of this project.

  1876. This bill is pending in

    the Senate right now,

  1877. and we're working with our legislators

  1878. to help secure this funding.

  1879. Construction funding for

    this project is currently

  1880. programmed in the

    capital budget for FY 28,

  1881. and we ask for your favorable

    action on Article 19.

  1882. - Okay. Mr. Riley

  1883. - Madison Riley, Mr.

  1884. Moderator Mr. Riley,

    regarding Article 19 advisory

  1885. and unanimously supports the redesign

  1886. of Linden Street and Weston Road.

  1887. The intersection, this heavily

    used intersection desperately

  1888. needs safety improvements.

  1889. And this article is a logical next step

  1890. to the 2024 Special town

    meeting, approval of the purchase

  1891. of a budding land for this project,

  1892. advisory recommends

    favorable action 11 to zero

  1893. with one recusal.

  1894. - Okay. The floor is

    now open for question,

  1895. discussion and debate.

  1896. The motion under radical 19.

  1897. - Tamara Ecky precinct

    - G. Yes, Ms. Ecky,

  1898. - Last year the discussion

    on this acknowledged

  1899. that the intersection at 1 35

  1900. and Weston Road would

    be a downstream impact

  1901. and must be a part of this project.

  1902. But I don't see that intersection in the

  1903. discussion this year.

  1904. And it doesn't appear in the photo,

  1905. in the, in the book either.

  1906. So I'd like to have confirmation whether

  1907. or not that intersection will be there.

  1908. - Okay. That's the intersection of

  1909. - 1 31, 1 35 and Wein

    - Road 1 35 and Western Road.

  1910. - The concern is that we're just kicking,

  1911. potentially kicking the

    problem further down south,

  1912. basically on Wein Road.

  1913. - Dave Cohen, dp, deputy of Director.

  1914. - Yes. Mr. Cohen

    - Moderator.

  1915. So in fact, that is outside

    the scope of this project.

  1916. That intersection will

    be included in the soon

  1917. to come Wellesley Square

    redevelopment project.

  1918. And so that will be, it's

    within the limits of the work

  1919. that we'll be doing and we have a, a,

  1920. a design for that project coming.

  1921. So it's related but not part

  1922. of this particular intersection.

  1923. - And if I could add a follow up.

  1924. So what is the timing on

    the, the Square project?

  1925. What I'm concerned about is

    that as that intersection gets

  1926. redeveloped at Linden Street,

    that they, there's a potential

  1927. for, for backup to basically

    be created at the intersection

  1928. that's already problematic

    at 1 35 in West, in Western

  1929. - Road.

  1930. Okay. So the, the timetable

    for the Wellesley Square Rehab.

  1931. - Yep. Dave Cohen, Mr.

    Moderator, Mr. Cohen.

  1932. So actually we're getting

    set to award the contract

  1933. for the Wellesley Square

    project right now.

  1934. So those two project will be synced up

  1935. and we'll make sure that

    they're talking to each other.

  1936. It's all the same people who

    will be coordinating that work.

  1937. - Thank you

    - Mr. Criswell.

  1938. - Mr. Moderator, Paul

    Criswell, precinct h Mr.

  1939. - Criswell - Through you a

    comment more than is a question.

  1940. And as somebody who uses

    this intersection regularly,

  1941. I can certainly attest to

    the fact that the traffic

  1942. is, is horrible.

  1943. But what I would really like

    to urge the DPW to make sure

  1944. that you do is to give a equal weight

  1945. to the pedestrian aspects of this.

  1946. Because as bad as the traffic is

  1947. and as inconvenient as it

    is to sit there waiting

  1948. to make a left turn forever,

    it's a whole lot worse

  1949. to be trying to cross

    that from one of the, one

  1950. of the sidewalks and really

    taking your life in your

  1951. hands to, to do that.

  1952. Thank you.

  1953. - Okay, Mr. Welburn?

    - Yes, Mr.

  1954. Moderator Peter Welburn, precinct C Mr.

  1955. - Welburn,

    - I just want to point out

  1956. that in this is an extremely

    dangerous intersection in town

  1957. and it's been a very

    dangerous intersection

  1958. in town for a long time.

  1959. In 2012,

  1960. a gentleman riding a bicycle

    near this intersection was

  1961. struck by a vehicle and killed.

  1962. So I, I speak in favor of this

    article tonight. Thank you.

  1963. - Any anybody else wanna speak on

  1964. the motion under radical 19?

  1965. Any non town meeting

    residents wanna speak?

  1966. Okay, I think we can do a voice

    vote. All in favor say aye.

  1967. Aye. All opposed? Nay carries

    unanimously by voice vote.

  1968. Article 19 is closed

  1969. and we move on to article

  1970. 20 feasibility study for the DBW campus.

  1971. And I recognize Mr. Wexler,

  1972. - Mr.

  1973. Moderator Jeff Wexler, precinct H,

  1974. chair of the Board of Public Works.

  1975. - Mr. Wexler,

    - Thank you.

  1976. And I ask that you waive

    the reading of the motion

  1977. as it appears on screen and has

    been previously distributed.

  1978. - The reading of the motion is waived.

  1979. - Okay, thank you. And

    in a moment I'll ask

  1980. that you recognize Mr. Cohen,

  1981. but first I'd just like

    to very quickly say

  1982. from a board perspective

    what you're about to hear.

  1983. This is about thoughtful, careful planning

  1984. and we've talked a lot

    about long-term capital.

  1985. It's also thinking about what

    investments should be made now

  1986. to properly determine the

    much larger long-term capital

  1987. expenditures so that they're

    efficient, cost effective,

  1988. and appropriate for the needs for the town

  1989. for decades to come.

  1990. And with that, I ask that you

    recognize Mr. Cohen. Thank you

  1991. - Mr. Cohen.

  1992. Mr. Moderator, Dave Cohen,

    DPW Director Mr. Cohen.

  1993. We are undaunted that we

    are heading towards Newton

  1994. and Heartbreak Hill for this article,

  1995. but that's where we're at.

  1996. So good evening.

  1997. It's my pleasure to introduce Article 20

  1998. DPW Campus Feasibility Study.

  1999. I'm joined tonight by facilities

    management director Joe

  2000. McDonough, who will walk

    through the presentation.

  2001. But before turning it to Joe, I'd like

  2002. to give some brief

    context for this project.

  2003. The Park and Highway

    Building system study was,

  2004. that was done in 2019, was

    one of the final pieces

  2005. of a multi-phase project

  2006. that started back in

    the mid two thousands.

  2007. Through the system study, we

    identified about $10 million

  2008. of renovations needed in the

  2009. 75-year-old park and highway building.

  2010. By the time this project was revived

  2011. after COVID, the estimate had

    grown to over $13 million.

  2012. We decided at that point to take a pause

  2013. to see if there might

    be another alternative.

  2014. And that's when we undertook

    the master planning process.

  2015. The key objective of the master plan was

  2016. to review our entire program to see

  2017. how it might more effectively

    fit on the Municipal Way

  2018. campus and to see if the park

  2019. and highway building to see

    how it would fit if the park

  2020. and highway building were to be replaced

  2021. rather than renovated.

  2022. While we were going through

    that process, we thought

  2023. that it would be a good

    idea to see if the land use

  2024. and FMD departments could

    also be accommodated

  2025. with a permanent home on the same site.

  2026. While not critical for our project

  2027. and DPW operations, it seemed

    like it could solve a problem

  2028. that was coming down the road.

  2029. It also seemed like an opportunity

  2030. to create a more streamlined

    customer experience

  2031. through a one stop shop

    municipal services building.

  2032. For a bit of historical

    perspective, the many phases

  2033. of improvements at Municipal Way started

  2034. with building a new water

    and sewer garage in 2009

  2035. and then a new DPW administration building

  2036. that opened in 2012.

  2037. Other aspects of the site were improved

  2038. or replaced such as

    the Salt shed, the park

  2039. and highway roof, the park

    and highway HVAC system,

  2040. and the fuel depot,

    which we just completed

  2041. last this past year.

  2042. Other phases such as a new

    fleet maintenance High Bay

  2043. and the storage shed have been

    deferred several times over

  2044. the years due to competing needs.

  2045. But they still need to

    be addressed in some

  2046. way at some point.

  2047. Which brings us to this request

    for feasibility study funds.

  2048. And with that I'll turn it over

    to Joe for the presentation.

  2049. Mr. Moderator, could you

    please recognize Facilities

  2050. Management director, Joe McDonough, Mr.

  2051. Mc, Mr. McDonough,

  2052. - Mr.

  2053. Moderator, Joe McDonough,

    facilities Director, Mr.

  2054. McDonough. Good evening.

  2055. This is gonna be, this project

    will be one of the three

  2056. or four major projects

  2057. that the Town Wide Capital

    Planning Committee will be

  2058. considering as it starts up, I call it one

  2059. of the anchor projects.

  2060. So I'll talk about why

    I think this meets some

  2061. of the criteria of that

    town wide Capital plan.

  2062. So Dave covered a lot of this,

  2063. but very quickly we, we did in FY 19,

  2064. we did four small studies.

  2065. Two were related to the

    Municipal Way campus

  2066. that were more building systems.

  2067. They were by no means on the

    level of a feasibility study.

  2068. And we also did work at the RDF,

  2069. which actually resulted in two projects.

  2070. We replaced the

  2071. sprinkler system in the Baylor

    building a few years ago.

  2072. And if you've been to the

    RDF recently, you'll notice

  2073. that the foundation for the

    new Administration building is

  2074. actually going in as we speak.

  2075. So there has been some good progress.

  2076. Dave covered the, the history.

  2077. September, 2020 submitted the report.

  2078. There were delays like with a

    lot of the other projects due

  2079. to COVID and the two school projects.

  2080. We ultimately came back with

    updated costs to the PBC

  2081. and the decision was made at that point.

  2082. Let's focus on the RDF

  2083. and let's pause on the

    Municipal Way project.

  2084. And I think Dave covered

    that history pretty well.

  2085. The gist of it was the new

    cost estimate we had was now

  2086. approaching $13 million.

  2087. This is a 78-year-old building.

  2088. We certainly got it service life.

  2089. And we found out at that time

  2090. that the renovation cost was higher.

  2091. But also there was an issue with phasing

  2092. where we gonna put the DPW operations

  2093. during a renovation project.

  2094. The study that we did was also not

  2095. as encompassing as it should have been.

  2096. It didn't include the cold storage shed,

  2097. it didn't include the fuel depot

  2098. that was in the process of being replaced.

  2099. Didn't look at EV charging

  2100. or solars solar panels on the roof.

  2101. And also it barely looked at

    the fleet maintenance building,

  2102. which we have vehicles

    that are solar large

  2103. that can't even be serviced

    inside the building.

  2104. So DPW requested $135,000 as part

  2105. of an FY 25 cash capital

    plan to do a master plan.

  2106. We hired Weston and Sampson in 2024.

  2107. And as you see here, the goal was

  2108. to develop a comprehensive

    long-term strategic guidance

  2109. for the entire Municipal way

    campus, not just the Park

  2110. and Highway Building and Fleet.

  2111. So some

  2112. of you who've heard us talk

    about the Tomway Capital plan,

  2113. there's very specific criteria

    in the plan for consideration

  2114. by the Town Wide Capital

    Planning Committee as to

  2115. what projects should be

    included in the plan,

  2116. when should they be included in the plan.

  2117. And one of, frankly,

  2118. what I think are the most

    important criteria is

  2119. how does the project line up

    with the town's strategic plans

  2120. such as, you know, the

    unified plan, right?

  2121. And I think as you've heard

    tonight, looking at that picture

  2122. of the post blizzard cleanup

    at the DPW Park and Highway

  2123. and DPW, all of their operations are part

  2124. and parcel to all of these plans.

  2125. You know, you look at the

    unified plan, these are some

  2126. of the chapters in the unified

    plan, natural resources,

  2127. parks, trails, mobility,

    public facilities,

  2128. infrastructure, sustainability.

  2129. This is what DPW does.

  2130. So it's such a natural

    alignment with all of the plans,

  2131. the strategic initiatives in town.

  2132. This project definitely aligns up with it.

  2133. Some of the other plans,

    open space recreation plan,

  2134. municipal vulnerability

    preparedness, sustainable mobility,

  2135. and of course the municipal

    sustainable building guidelines.

  2136. So the plan itself that

    looked at these buildings,

  2137. the Highway Park Tree and

    Fleet, the water sewer office

  2138. and garage, that's the

    17-year-old building

  2139. that Dave talked about.

  2140. DPW administration engineering

    building is 12 years old.

  2141. Salt storage shed, prefab

    shed, it's about 10 years old.

  2142. Cold storage shed, we don't know

  2143. how old it is, it's very old.

  2144. We can't find any plans on it.

  2145. And then the new fuel depot

    that was replaced recently.

  2146. Then we looked at the site starting

  2147. with the bulk material handling area.

  2148. That's where gravel and sand in pipes

  2149. and manholes, large outside

    equipment and parts are stored.

  2150. That's in the northern part of the site

  2151. adjacent to Woodlawn.

  2152. There's some environ

    environmental restrictions

  2153. that we needed to consider

    in this master plan,

  2154. including an activity use limitation,

  2155. an A UL that'll show you

    some graphics on later.

  2156. And of course the goal is to try to limit

  2157. your work in those areas

    or avoid them if possible.

  2158. The western part of the site

    has wetlands in the MBTA track

  2159. and we have the cochituate

    aqueduct on the right side.

  2160. So these are things that we needed

  2161. to think about in the study.

  2162. So some of the conclusions you see here,

  2163. the site is functionally inadequate

  2164. and there's not enough space.

  2165. And you'll see that we basically,

  2166. we need double the square

    footage of building space.

  2167. What they have right

    now, the 1948 building,

  2168. we've talked about 78 years old

  2169. as is pretty typical with old buildings.

  2170. They're modified, they're added on

  2171. to become very inefficient.

  2172. We found that the newer

    buildings, no surprise, right,

  2173. the 17 and 14 and

    10-year-old buildings, water

  2174. and sewer administration

    salt, she are adequate

  2175. and can stay with little to

    no work and highway park fleet

  2176. and cold storage were

  2177. beyond their service life

    and need to be replaced.

  2178. So those of you who are

    not familiar with the site,

  2179. these aerials, I think will

    give you a a good sense.

  2180. So let's start with the top left.

  2181. The park highway and fleet building.

  2182. So you're looking kind of

    northwest to the far left,

  2183. that gray building, that's

    the water and sewer garage.

  2184. And then this L-shaped brick building

  2185. that is park, highway and Fleet.

  2186. And then in the foreground

    you can see the fuel depot.

  2187. And in the background to the right,

  2188. that green shed structure,

    that's the salt she,

  2189. so the inside,

  2190. the L-shaped building on the

    left side is the garage area.

  2191. On the right side is fleet storage

  2192. and then kind of the knuckle area.

  2193. That's where you have staff

    offices, support spaces,

  2194. lockers, muster rooms, et cetera.

  2195. The lower right photo shows

    you the cold storage shed.

  2196. And it's called cold storage only

  2197. because it has no heat,

    it's, it's not refrigerated.

  2198. But you can see in that photo

  2199. that you know parking

    isn't an issue on site.

  2200. So these photos are

    actually seven years old

  2201. and the situation hasn't gotten

    much better in seven years.

  2202. So, you know, top left Dave's

    actually in this photo,

  2203. men's bathroom top right, the

    welding shop, which is typical

  2204. of some of the shop spaces that we have.

  2205. I hope that's not the most lower right,

  2206. the vehicle wash bay.

  2207. So you saw those vehicles

    in the first slide.

  2208. They get covered with salt and sand

  2209. and we know that you can

    extend the service life

  2210. of these vehicles significantly

    by maintaining them,

  2211. by washing them regularly.

  2212. So this is really a key

    part of the program for DPW.

  2213. And when we did the initial

    study, we realized that most

  2214. of the trucks couldn't even fit in here.

  2215. So we were gonna raise

    the roof, make it wider.

  2216. By the time you do that, you're

    looking at, you really need

  2217. to build something new and then

    lower left you can see it's

  2218. really tough to get all these

    vehicles inside the space.

  2219. It's just not big enough. Again,

  2220. top left is the highway garage.

  2221. Again, you can see the, the vehicles,

  2222. the gym packed in there.

  2223. Top right, this is a crane

  2224. for the parks department in the shed

  2225. and it just about fits in there.

  2226. Lower left, you've seen

    Dave talked about the

  2227. one of the vacuum trucks.

  2228. These are frontline pieces

    of equipment. Very expensive.

  2229. And you can see how tight it is

  2230. to get it in that particular bay.

  2231. You better be a pretty good driver.

  2232. Top left, this is the office

    space they have, it's crammed.

  2233. There's just not enough space

  2234. and it's of course it's old top right.

  2235. This is locker and muster room.

  2236. But it also doubles as

    importantly the storm center.

  2237. The emergency center. So most

    of the new DPW facilities

  2238. that you see, they have a

    dedicated emergency area

  2239. where they can prepare

    for storms and blizzards

  2240. and hurricanes get the latest weather

  2241. and they can determine

    how they're gonna go about

  2242. and attack these projects.

  2243. But this is where they have

    to work out of right now,

  2244. lower left, this is

    mechanical electrical room.

  2245. It's in the basement for this building.

  2246. And you can see a little bit the

  2247. water that's coming in there.

  2248. We have some pumps, but

    water does get in there

  2249. and you know it's not a good thing

  2250. to be having your

    electrical room in an area

  2251. where there's water

    coming in and lower right.

  2252. These are concrete walls

  2253. and concrete ceilings

    above that electrical room.

  2254. And we have spald concrete.

  2255. We actually had to limit

    the parking capacity

  2256. above on the floor above that.

  2257. We had to put some steel plates in there.

  2258. So some of the, a number of

    concepts were presented to DPW

  2259. and FMD by the consultant.

  2260. And some of the initial feedback

    was the salt shed's fine,

  2261. we don't need to do

    anything, we don't need

  2262. to consider moving that DPW.

  2263. Dave and his staff were very sensitive

  2264. to the abutters on Woodlawn

  2265. and they did not want to have

    any additional development in

  2266. that bulk storage area

    up against Woodlawn.

  2267. Parking was an issue,

    definitely recognize that.

  2268. And we identified the water

  2269. and sewer administration, salt, she

  2270. and Fuel depot as not

    being a part of the project

  2271. to do any additional work.

  2272. And that the park and highway

  2273. and the cold storage building

    needed to be replaced.

  2274. Some of the other things

    that we looked at was travel.

  2275. - Mr. McDon, sorry to interrupt,

  2276. but we have a little bit

    of a problem up here,

  2277. maybe more than a little bit.

  2278. So we're just gonna take about

    a five or 10 minute break.

  2279. Just sort it out.

  2280. - Okay?

  2281. - Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mr McDonough.

  2282. - Okay, Mr. Moderator. Mr.

    - Mc, welcome back.

  2283. - Some of the issues that

    we looked at in terms

  2284. of design considerations in the

    master plan, as I mentioned,

  2285. public travel wanted to limit

    public travel to the areas

  2286. where they would come into

    the municipal way complex

  2287. and do business and not have

    to enter into the yard area

  2288. where there's large trucks.

  2289. Dangerous situation. We

    wanted to maximize circulation

  2290. of the DPW vehicles around the

    site, around the salt shed,

  2291. around the fueling depot.

  2292. So this was the preferred concept.

  2293. This is, I know many

  2294. of you have heard about the a hundred

  2295. million dollars project.

  2296. Okay, so let me just

    address that right now.

  2297. That was a very early concept number.

  2298. That was the full all in build out

  2299. that you're looking at here.

  2300. Again, very preliminary

  2301. and it does not mean

  2302. that it's a hundred

    million dollar project.

  2303. And part of the reason why we're

    doing the feasibility study

  2304. hopefully, is to answer

    questions like that.

  2305. Like how can we do this

    in manageable bites

  2306. that the town can afford?

  2307. I mean we're very tuned into that.

  2308. We've heard all the discussion

  2309. with the town wide capital plan

  2310. and the impacts the taxpayer rates.

  2311. So we know that is an issue

  2312. and we're very aware of

    the cost of the project.

  2313. So this pro, this plan you're

    looking at on you, just

  2314. to kind of orient you on your left,

  2315. on the left side is the MBTA

    tracks and some wetlands.

  2316. On the right side is the aqueduct

  2317. and that's route nine to the north.

  2318. That gray building, I dunno if you can see

  2319. it, that's the salt shed.

  2320. And just north of that is the bulk storage

  2321. area adjacent to Woodlawn.

  2322. Now south of that red area

  2323. to the extreme south is the MLP facility

  2324. and then fire headquarters.

  2325. So what that red line indicates

    is all of the new buildings

  2326. that would be part of the

    proposed feasibility study.

  2327. Starting on the right hand side,

  2328. there's a new vehicle maintenance

    building, new workshops.

  2329. And then the yellow area is

    new administration buildings.

  2330. From the DPW standpoint,

  2331. these are the highest priority spaces.

  2332. This is where most of the people are.

  2333. So if you had to ask them to, you know,

  2334. what is the most urgent work to get done?

  2335. That would be it important,

  2336. but not as high priority as

    the vehicle storage area.

  2337. On the left hand side,

    the, the late brown areas,

  2338. this vehicle storage

  2339. and then the new wash

    bay is there as well.

  2340. So part of what the feasibility

    study would do is to

  2341. look at the build upon this

    initial master plan concept

  2342. and look at things like can

    we phase this in two phases

  2343. or leave part of the

    existing building there?

  2344. But what's important here is,

  2345. you may recall from the

    previous aerial slides,

  2346. we had about 44,000 square

    feet of existing building.

  2347. And you can see here there's about 89,000.

  2348. So it's double the area.

  2349. So there's been discussion

    about municipal offices.

  2350. So right now facilities

    management and then land use.

  2351. And land use is the

    building department zoning,

  2352. NRC and planning.

  2353. We are all located at

    8 88 Worcester Street.

  2354. We're in leased office space.

  2355. That lease will end in June, 2027

  2356. and we'll have to go back out

  2357. for a three to five year lease.

  2358. We expect it to be much higher

  2359. because the landlord we're

    currently renting from,

  2360. we frankly got a really good rate

  2361. and we've done some initial discussions

  2362. with developers in the area

  2363. and we expect those rates to go up.

  2364. So that's not good news.

    But as part of this project,

  2365. we will look at lease

    costs, we'll get the current

  2366. expected lease costs and

    we'll look at the cost

  2367. to build space as part of this project.

  2368. I will say this, this is a

    small part of the project,

  2369. the municipal, it's maybe 10%

    of, of the new building area.

  2370. But it's an opportunity,

    it's an opportunity

  2371. to find a permanent space for land use

  2372. and FMD one of many opportunities.

  2373. Some of the other options we'll

    continue to look at will be

  2374. lease on a long-term basis.

  2375. We've been at 88 Worcester

    Street, FMD for 11 years now.

  2376. We'll look at potentially

    if one becomes available,

  2377. purchasing an existing

    building and renovating it.

  2378. A new standalone building.

  2379. We actually looked at

    a standalone building

  2380. for FMD in 2014 on the

    same municipal way site.

  2381. And then we could look at it as part

  2382. of this or some other project.

  2383. So why would we do this?

  2384. I think it improves

    services to the residents.

  2385. It's kind of one stop shopping.

  2386. You have the municipal complex there.

  2387. It avoids continued risk associated

  2388. with increase in lease

    costs, like we expect

  2389. to see in our next lease.

  2390. There's a chance that we

    can't find suitable space.

  2391. We can't find, you know, eight

  2392. to 10,000 square feet of contiguous space.

  2393. And then it's to, to lease space.

  2394. It's a, it's a public procurement process

  2395. and advertising sealed proposals

  2396. and you have to do it

    every three to five years.

  2397. So we could avoid that

    with permanent space

  2398. and it would be nice for the

    staff working in those offices

  2399. to have a permanent home.

  2400. So here's, here's one

    idea that we would pursue.

  2401. Again, in the feasibility

    study, you can see the current

  2402. engineering and management office

  2403. with the red circle around it.

  2404. I mean, one of the ideas

    would be to renovate that

  2405. and make that the new FMD land use space

  2406. and then move engineering

  2407. and management into the yellow

    building adjacent to it.

  2408. Again, just one idea

  2409. that we'd pursue more in

    the feasibility study.

  2410. So this is the question

    that comes up all the time.

  2411. You know, should we proceed?

  2412. This is the question that

    the town White Capital

  2413. Planning Committee is

    gonna ask, and I think this

  2414. feasibility studies help

    answers that question.

  2415. So what's really important is

  2416. that it's comprehensive

    assessment before we start design.

  2417. Everything costs more from master plan

  2418. to feasibility design construction.

  2419. As you move through the project,

  2420. everything is more expensive.

  2421. So this feasibility

    study will assess whether

  2422. the project is technically

    achievable, financially viable,

  2423. environmentally responsible,

    legally compliant

  2424. before any major investments are made.

  2425. And it's about reducing risk.

  2426. And I'm gonna talk about

    that in a, in a little bit.

  2427. So I can't stress enough

    why it's important

  2428. to do a feasibility study.

  2429. I mentioned earlier,

    you can't just jump from

  2430. master plan to design.

  2431. Feasibility is a very small

    fraction of the total project.

  2432. Cost design is still much more than

  2433. feasibility, but a fraction

    of the construction cost.

  2434. So investing one to 2%

  2435. of the total project cost

    in a feasibility study

  2436. safeguards the remaining

    98 to 98 9% of the project.

  2437. Another question we've

    heard a number of times is,

  2438. what happens if the project gets delayed?

  2439. Will the feasibility study go stale?

  2440. And the answer to that is no.

  2441. It's, it's at least five

    years, maybe longer.

  2442. We may have to do some supplemental

    upgrades investigations

  2443. as part of the study,

    which I'll talk about.

  2444. But no,

  2445. we don't expect it'll go stale

    within a reasonable five year

  2446. period or longer.

  2447. So good, I'm glad you could see this.

  2448. So there's a lot here in this slide

  2449. and this, this to me tells,

  2450. tells you why feasibility

    in planning is so important.

  2451. So going across left to

    right, that's the duration

  2452. of a project, right from the first column.

  2453. It says conceptual planning

  2454. and that includes master

    plans, feasibility studies.

  2455. As you move to the right, you

    get into schematic design,

  2456. design development, you

    move a little further.

  2457. Final design, detailed plans

  2458. and specs, then you get

    into bidding construction,

  2459. cost closeout.

  2460. So let's look at the

    cost influence, that's

  2461. that yellow line, the cost influence.

  2462. You have the highest

    ability to impact the cost

  2463. in the conceptual planning phase.

  2464. And as the project goes along

  2465. and as you're developing the

    design and detailed plans

  2466. and specs and spending a

    lot of money, you have less

  2467. and less ability to influence that cost.

  2468. Let's look at the orange

    line, the construction cost.

  2469. You can make a lot of

    decisions and feasibility

  2470. and master planning

    phases at the early start

  2471. with almost no cost impact.

  2472. That's why it's so low.

    But as you progress

  2473. through the design,

    you're, you're kind of,

  2474. you're spending a lot of

    money on plans and specs

  2475. and you have a schedule to meet.

  2476. So your ability to impact

    the cost is, is limited.

  2477. So just kind of keep that

    in mind where we are now,

  2478. we're in the conceptual planning phases,

  2479. just completed the master

    plan heading towards

  2480. the feasibility study.

  2481. So the scope, one

  2482. of the first things we

    wanna do is we wanna look at

  2483. that concept that I

    showed you from the master

  2484. plan and work on that.

  2485. We want to confirm the

    program working with DPW.

  2486. We wanna prioritize, is

    this the scope of work

  2487. that they need and funding.

  2488. We're gonna look at

    funding, available funding.

  2489. We're gonna be working,

    you know, hand in glove

  2490. with the town wide Capital

    Planning Committee,

  2491. the future phasing of the project.

  2492. That's something that wasn't really

  2493. looked at in detail at master plan,

  2494. but we will look at in

    detail at feasibility.

  2495. So here's an example of when

    I say we're gonna look at

  2496. what was developed in the master plan.

  2497. These are kind of the

    big picture issues that

  2498. I think we're gonna need to look at.

  2499. So looking at the vehicle

    maintenance, the workshop

  2500. and the admin building on

    the right side of the site,

  2501. those are the high

    priority spaces for DPW.

  2502. And then, you know, the

    vehicle storage on the left.

  2503. So one of the first things

    we're gonna need to do is,

  2504. is there a way to build

    that in a phased manner

  2505. where we can build the

    high priority spaces now

  2506. and work with what's

    there work, maybe work

  2507. with the existing garage

    before we have to replace it.

  2508. The surface parking. That's

    something that we, we need

  2509. to dig a little deeper into.

  2510. There's been discussion of whether

  2511. or not we need a parking garage.

  2512. We don't know. We hope we don't,

  2513. but that's part of why we

    do a feasibility study.

  2514. And then I talked about the opportunity

  2515. for land use and MLP.

  2516. I'm showing here that the

    existing space would be

  2517. renovated, that's one option.

  2518. Or it could be a another floor added

  2519. to the new building to accommodate it.

  2520. But again, these are feasibility

  2521. decisions, things that we look into.

  2522. So probably two thirds of the cost

  2523. of this $858,000 appropriation has to do

  2524. with these expensive field investigations.

  2525. Things like geotech, borings,

    environmental borings,

  2526. traffic studies, surveys.

  2527. So it's really important that

    we're very strategic about

  2528. how we spend that money in the study.

  2529. So here's an example of what I would call

  2530. targeted cost effective

    field investigations.

  2531. So once we develop that

    first layout, that site plan,

  2532. that building layout, then we

    have a pretty high confidence

  2533. level of where we want to.

  2534. For example, I'm showing

    these red areas soil borings.

  2535. So we don't wanna just go in

  2536. and pepper the site with, you know,

  2537. 30 borings across the entire site at a

  2538. a pretty expensive cost.

  2539. We want to be able to

    reliably locate what we need

  2540. and no more for this level.

  2541. The lower level, I

    talked about the activity

  2542. and use limitation.

  2543. This is an environmental restriction.

  2544. So it's important that

    we know where that is

  2545. because that impacts what

    we do in terms of planning.

  2546. We certainly would want to avoid

  2547. a garage structure in that area.

  2548. So continuing on, these

    are the kind of the big

  2549. tasks in the work order,

    in the feasibility study.

  2550. Talked about the concept design.

  2551. We're gonna look at

    phasing sustainability.

  2552. We always look at sustainability

    in any major project.

  2553. We will develop a potential

    scope of work, cost schedule,

  2554. feasibility study.

  2555. All of this is what the PBC expects

  2556. to get when the project

    goes to them for design.

  2557. So we know what they

    expect to receive from us.

  2558. So these are important

    tasks for the the group

  2559. current project schedule.

  2560. Here we are tonight requesting

    feasibility study funds.

  2561. If approved, we will begin

    the procurement process.

  2562. So this is not a low bid when you hire

  2563. professional services architects.

  2564. It's a qualifications based

    process. We've done it.

  2565. I can't tell you how many times

  2566. where we ask for submissions.

  2567. We shortlist architects,

    we interview them.

  2568. I expect to have a pretty

    robust evaluation committee.

  2569. Ultimately we'd be making a recommendation

  2570. to the Board of public Works.

  2571. The architect who did the

    master plan would certainly be

  2572. encouraged and I would

  2573. expect they would be submitting on it.

  2574. But this by no means is this

    project handed to anyone.

  2575. We, we are optimistically

    hoping we can finish

  2576. this study in a year.

  2577. Maybe too optimistically it

  2578. so we could be back here in the year

  2579. requesting design funds.

  2580. It's also quite possible

    that it could slip

  2581. to the fall 2027.

  2582. But again, assuming we

    optimistically hit all those

  2583. milestones, two years

    later we could be back

  2584. for construction fund request.

  2585. And we also expect that

    would be a debt exclusion.

  2586. So there'd be a ballot vote.

  2587. So this is the breakdown

  2588. for the $858,000 appropriation request.

  2589. A couple of things to keep in

    mind. We negotiate these fees.

  2590. So I'm a professional engineer.

  2591. We have three licensed

    architects on staff.

  2592. We probably have 200 years of experience

  2593. and believe me, we know how

  2594. to negotiate fees with consultants.

  2595. So the $380,000,

  2596. that's the professional

    services part of the project.

  2597. So we'll certainly negotiate that down to

  2598. what we think is a reasonable amount.

  2599. The remaining roughly

    $500,000 is in the expenses.

  2600. And as I showed you in

    the previous slides,

  2601. we will not just start doing that.

  2602. The, the plan is to do

    the initial concept,

  2603. then we can selectively determine which

  2604. of these various tasks we need to do.

  2605. Some. We know we have to,

    but some we could hold on.

  2606. For example, you know, the

    parking garage consultant.

  2607. If we decide that we

    don't need to do that,

  2608. we could hold off on that.

  2609. So we would execute

    the work of these dozen

  2610. or so items on a, on a

    work order basis, right?

  2611. We negotiate a, a kind of

    a mini contract to each one

  2612. of these and this is how we

    would control the contract.

  2613. And with that Mr. Moderator, I'm through.

  2614. - All right, thank you Mr. McDonough.

  2615. Now Mr. Riley will give

    us the recommendation.

  2616. We, the advisory committee

  2617. - Madison Riley, Mr. Moderator

  2618. - Mr. Riley,

    - Regarding Article 20, most

  2619. of advisory committee

    supports the DPW campus

  2620. feasibility study.

  2621. Those in support agree

    that some DPW facilities,

  2622. particularly at the 78-year-old parks

  2623. and highway building, no,

  2624. it no longer meets

    operational requirements.

  2625. And they see this study as a way

  2626. to determine if certain other

    town departments could be

  2627. housed at municipal way.

  2628. Some supporters also feel

  2629. that such a study is

    critical given the size

  2630. of the campus we're dealing

    with multi-facility undertaking

  2631. and the complexity of

    decisions to be made.

  2632. For example, departments

    housed building placements,

  2633. swing space needs, staging,

    timing, environmental impacts,

  2634. A lot of decisions to juggle

    and, and determine opinions.

  2635. Varied though on the timing of this study,

  2636. some wondered whether

    this should begin now just

  2637. as the town is forming the

    New Town Wide Capital Planning

  2638. Committee, the acronym

    T-W-C-P-C, long acronym.

  2639. Others supported the timing,

    others supported the timing,

  2640. noting that the study,

  2641. this study would provide valuable input

  2642. to the TW CPCs considerations.

  2643. So it'd be very important

    and help that group.

  2644. Those who opposed the study

    expressed sticker shock at both

  2645. the forecasted cost of

    construction and the study's cost.

  2646. Given the number of capital

    projects that the town faces

  2647. in the next decade, which

    will impact our taxes.

  2648. Opponents wondered if it

    would be prudent to wait

  2649. until the T-W-C-P-C commit group is formed

  2650. and able to fully analyze

    the capital project needs

  2651. before proceeding with

    this feasibility study.

  2652. They also feared that once conducted,

  2653. and if no action is

    taken for several years,

  2654. the study may become stale,

  2655. potentially wasting

    significant time and money.

  2656. But overall advisory recommends

    favorable action. 10 to two.

  2657. - Okay. The floor is now open

  2658. for debate on the motion under 20.

  2659. It is nine,

  2660. let's call it nine

    forty five. Mr. Welburn,

  2661. - Peter Welburn, precinct C. Mr.

  2662. - Welburn,

    - Could you put the slide up

  2663. that says municipal way at the bottom

  2664. and it has the picture of

    the site quickly please.

  2665. So when I saw this article,

  2666. I got sticker shock

    probably like many of you.

  2667. So I called Mr. Cohen

  2668. and I asked him if he would

    gimme a tour of the facility.

  2669. He was kind enough to do

    that a little over a week ago

  2670. and it'd be helpful to have the

  2671. picture up if you can get it up there.

  2672. So I spent about 30 minutes there walking

  2673. through the site to take a look.

  2674. And I will tell you something,

  2675. when you look at these pictures

    here, they do not do justice

  2676. to how bad it is.

  2677. It is horrendous.

  2678. I thought about the vocabulary

    words I was gonna use

  2679. to describe this facility.

  2680. They're not appropriate

    for town meeting floor,

  2681. so I won't use those up on

    the left hand corner there.

  2682. Those buildings that are sort

  2683. of a white color in the upper

    corner, those aren't too bad.

  2684. But this whole L area at the top is just,

  2685. I can't even believe our town

    employees were asking them

  2686. to work out of this facility.

  2687. And these are workers

    that put a lot of effort

  2688. and energy into the town,

    especially during snow storms.

  2689. They're working sometimes

    really, really long hours.

  2690. I can't believe that we

    asked them to work there.

  2691. I also think this cold storage shed area

  2692. that has tremendous potential,

  2693. I think this whole site

    could really transform some

  2694. of the office space for the

    town employees who the backbone

  2695. of the services that are provided here.

  2696. So I think we should go ahead with this.

  2697. I'm speaking in favor and

    I'll close by saying this.

  2698. I have a thesis and a theory for why

  2699. Mr. Berger saw mice here in the town hall.

  2700. It's because they left

    the municipal way campus.

  2701. It was so bad the mice left

    and now they're living here.

  2702. That's how bad this facility is.

  2703. So I speak here in favor of,

    of this proposal for Mr. Cohen,

  2704. and I think you two gentlemen

  2705. who presented tonight were

    very kind in your words.

  2706. It's really horrible. Thank you.

  2707. Yes, Mr. Lucky, selecti,

  2708. - Tam, Tamara Salaki, precinct G.

  2709. That's actually very similar

    to what I was going to say.

  2710. Initial sticker shock.

  2711. I had the privilege

    last year of being able

  2712. to visit the site and I

    had the same reaction.

  2713. Much of my concern has

    to do with the, the lack

  2714. of protection for a lot of the equipment

  2715. that we're paying a lot of money for.

  2716. So, so I, I think that

    there's, there's a fair amount

  2717. of return on investment that we get

  2718. by really protecting

    a lot of the equipment

  2719. that currently is just exposed

  2720. because there's just no place to house it.

  2721. I think also some of that

    equipment is very different

  2722. now than when it was built.

  2723. There are more electric vehicles,

    electric sort of machines

  2724. that, that we're using, whether it's

  2725. lawn mowing or whatever.

  2726. We don't really have

    facilities for those sort

  2727. of targeted facilities.

  2728. So I do think that this

    is an important project

  2729. and one that gives us a, a

    return on investment essentially.

  2730. We have relatively few people

  2731. that work for these departments.

  2732. We're really dependent on that equipment.

  2733. I think with respect to this

    sticker shock, something

  2734. that really, really grates

    on me is sort of hearkening

  2735. to something that, that the select

  2736. board said at the beginning.

  2737. We have a lot of big projects

    that are coming down the board

  2738. and we're looking at 30.

  2739. I think that's a low estimate.

  2740. I think we're potentially

    looking at 50% increases

  2741. in, in taxes.

  2742. And I'm really scared about that.

  2743. I'm scared about what

    that does to our town,

  2744. the demographics of the

    town, who's, who's able

  2745. to move here, who's able to stay here.

  2746. I think it's really gonna

    be problematic for the town.

  2747. And I think that we,

    we are all responsible

  2748. for figuring out what makes sense.

  2749. And I think that as we

    look at, you know, we've,

  2750. we've got the PFAS project,

  2751. which we're finding there's

    not a lot of flexibility there.

  2752. There's legislative issues there.

  2753. We've got the municipal complex,

  2754. which we're discussing right now,

  2755. and we've got a lot of school

    projects, the school AC

  2756. that's come up, the pause program, a lot

  2757. of school renovations.

  2758. I think as we look at things like some

  2759. of those school projects, I

    think of schools as something

  2760. that, that is very important to recognize.

  2761. The people there, it's the

    teachers, it's the curriculum

  2762. that gives us the education

    that we need for the town here.

  2763. It's the building that we really need.

  2764. So I'm in support of this. Thank you

  2765. - Mr. Berger.

  2766. Oh, okay. Ms. Sanchez. Thank you

  2767. - Ladies first.

  2768. Odessa Sanchez precinct Moderat.

  2769. - Ms. Sanchez,

    - I just wanted to ask DPW

  2770. to kind of give us an idea

  2771. or remind us how many other

    towns also take advantage

  2772. or utilize the facilities

  2773. and if there was any

    discussions about any shared

  2774. financing for this project?

  2775. - You're asking how towns use.

  2776. - Yeah, how many other

    neighboring towns also utilize the

  2777. resources of the DPW

  2778. and if you spoke to them

    about sharing the cost.

  2779. - Okay. Is there any shared

    cost of this facility

  2780. with others who may use the facility?

  2781. - Dave Cohen, DPW Director, Mr. Mr. Cohen.

  2782. So there, we have not really

    explored any opportunities

  2783. to have other communities

    contribute to the cost

  2784. of our facility,

  2785. but our facility does get

    used from time to time for,

  2786. for other communities

    that might be partnering

  2787. with us on some training that we're doing.

  2788. We can certainly explore

  2789. with them if there's opportunities there.

  2790. But I think it's more of a quid pro quo

  2791. where they would host a training

  2792. and then we would host a training.

  2793. It really isn't something

    that we've, we've explored

  2794. to this point, but we'll

    add it to the list.

  2795. - Okay. Mr. Himmel,

  2796. - David Hemel, precinct H Mr. Mr. Hemel

  2797. - Berger.

  2798. - Yep. I too rise in support.

  2799. I also confess to having

    that initial sticker shock

  2800. things cost money.

  2801. One thing that, or one way

    that I look at this is similar

  2802. to the high school in

    which we sit right now.

  2803. Our old high school had

    been built at one point

  2804. and we added onto it and we added onto it

  2805. and we added onto it.

  2806. And when we designed this building, we

  2807. had a coherent plan for

    how all the departments

  2808. and all the portions of the

    school would fit together.

  2809. And we got a very coherent building.

  2810. I think we have the same

    opportunity down at the DPW campus

  2811. to build a coherent facility

  2812. that takes into account not just the uses

  2813. that are down there now,

  2814. but also the so-called land

    departments within the town.

  2815. And I would ask through you, Mr.

  2816. Moderator, if we could be advised

  2817. what we're currently spending each year

  2818. in rent at 8 88 Worcester

  2819. for the land use departments.

  2820. Because that rent that

    we're spending each year

  2821. would be money that would be

    diverted to paying for this

  2822. campus down the road.

  2823. So I'm in support of it.

  2824. But curious to know what

    we're spending right now

  2825. for renting space.

  2826. - Do you know that amount, Mr. McDonough,

  2827. - Mr.

  2828. Marty, Eddie Joe McDonough?

    Yes. Mr. McDonough?

  2829. Pretty close. I would say

    between the two offices

  2830. that we're renting Suite one 60

  2831. and Suite three 70,

  2832. it's $226,000 a year I believe.

  2833. And I would expect that to

    almost double in the next lease.

  2834. Okay. Thank you.

  2835. - Mr. Mary,

  2836. - Mr.

  2837. Moderator, Paul, Mary Precinct, G Mr.

  2838. - Mr.

    - Mary through you.

  2839. A question to either Mr. Cohen or Mr.

  2840. McDonough. I'm reacting partly

  2841. to the comments of a good many people,

  2842. including Mr. Berger about the

  2843. sticker shock of this project.

  2844. And when I think about this, I mean in,

  2845. in a way it's a dream, a chance for the

  2846. employees that use this

    site to, to conceive

  2847. what they think would be the

    ideal situation for themselves.

  2848. But it seems to me that the

    people with the best knowledge

  2849. of what's needed here or,

  2850. or what would be the ideal situation,

  2851. are probably the managers

  2852. and workers that are already working there

  2853. and have had to put up

    with these bad conditions

  2854. for many years.

  2855. And I don't, I'm, I'm not rising

  2856. to say that we shouldn't do this.

  2857. I'm just saying in terms of

    addressing the sticker shock,

  2858. my question is whether

    there's any possibility that

  2859. maybe the town planning department could,

  2860. and I think we have one,

    could undertake this in-house

  2861. by doing a survey of the

    managers and the employees

  2862. and other people who are very,

    very familiar with the, both,

  2863. with the, the arrangements

  2864. that are now in place in this campus

  2865. and also the situa the, the

    conditions that would be ideal

  2866. for them rather than,

  2867. and I'm wondering if maybe

    undertaking at least some of

  2868. that work in house might be able to

  2869. be a way of, of reducing

    the sticker shock.

  2870. - Yep. Who are you referring

  2871. to when you talk about the

    town planning department?

  2872. - Do we not have a planning department?

  2873. - Okay. Ms. Chop will

    answer that question.

  2874. - Megan Jo, executive director.

  2875. - Ms. Job. - So the planning

    staff could certainly assist

  2876. in terms of the zoning analysis.

  2877. We do have a design and construction team,

  2878. which operates out of the

    facilities department,

  2879. but largely some of it we could

    potentially do in, in-house.

  2880. But given the workload that

    this body has approved,

  2881. we wouldn't have the

    bandwidth to execute that.

  2882. - Thank you.

  2883. - Mr. Moderat. Christine

    Cahill, precinct D

  2884. - Yes ma'am.

  2885. - A, a couple, a couple things.

  2886. First I wanna just make sure it's clear.

  2887. When we're voting on this

    appropriation, are we looking at

  2888. appropriating just for a new facility

  2889. or are we also looking at

    possible, possibly renovating?

  2890. Just clarification on that

    when we, if we vote for this.

  2891. - Mr. McDonough,

    - Joe

  2892. McDonough Facility director.

  2893. - Yes, Mr. McDonough.

    - I think we would primarily be

  2894. looking at new buildings,

  2895. but you know, for example, if

    we, as part of the phasing,

  2896. if we decided to leave that

    existing L-shaped building there

  2897. for some period of time,

    five years, seven years,

  2898. we could probably do some

    sort of modification to

  2899. that building to allow it to

  2900. be pretty much dedicated

  2901. to vehicle storage as, as an example.

  2902. So I think the scope is, is

    at this point it's wide open.

  2903. We're not kind of saying

    we're only gonna look at new,

  2904. but I would say the renovation

    would be part of a phased,

  2905. a temporary phased option.

  2906. But I don't, I don't, I think

    we pretty much have come

  2907. to the conclusion that long term

  2908. that 78-year-old building is not worth.

  2909. Okay. Renovating

  2910. - My, another question, Mr.

  2911. Moderator and I, this might be more to

  2912. through the select board

    when everybody's, you know,

  2913. saying about the sticker shock

  2914. and that we're looking

    at possibly up to 34%

  2915. increase in taxes in the next few years

  2916. with multiple capital projects.

  2917. Historically, have we tried

    to limit as a town the percent

  2918. of increase of taxes when

    we look at our capital

  2919. projects going forward?

  2920. And I know we have a new

    committee that hasn't come online

  2921. yet, but that's just a question overall,

  2922. not just on this project,

    but just looking forward,

  2923. do we think about that

    and have kind of a number

  2924. or, you know, some kind of

    range that the select board

  2925. and the town has looked

    at when we know we have

  2926. so many things ahead of us?

  2927. - Okay. I think Ms.

  2928. Job is probably in the best

  2929. position to answer that question.

  2930. BA basically, to

  2931. what extent are we looking at

    the impact on, on the tax rate

  2932. of this project and others like it?

  2933. - Sure. So Megan, job

    executive director, Ms.

  2934. - Job. - So each year we do

    the, the five year capital plan

  2935. and inevitably we're also

    looking out further than that.

  2936. However, we haven't had

    this type of aggregation

  2937. of large projects

    historically in recent time,

  2938. even within really the last

    probably 40 to 50 years.

  2939. And so that's why we're

    taking a strategic approach

  2940. and looking with the town,

    my capital planning committee

  2941. to evaluate what we can do.

  2942. And so it is very clear that

  2943. although taxes are gonna rise

    at arguably 4%, between four

  2944. and four point half percent

    each year based upon new growth

  2945. and two and a half percent taxation,

  2946. this would be additive to

    that through debt exclusion.

  2947. And there's, there's certainly

    going to be likely a limit to

  2948. what the voters will pass in

    terms of what they can absorb.

  2949. So that's something that is

    very much on the forefront of

  2950. our minds and in the

    town wide financial plan.

  2951. And so we've tried to explicitly identify

  2952. what those costs are for

    people moving forward.

  2953. We also sent a letter out to

    every residential property

  2954. to direct people to review

    the town wide financial plan

  2955. and to alert them to

    these upcoming projects so

  2956. that you can start following them now

  2957. because we certainly anticipate

  2958. that without proper planning

  2959. or modification in that schedule

  2960. that they might not all passed.

  2961. - Okay. Thank you Mr.

  2962. Marty, if you don't mind, I

    just have one comment based

  2963. - Sure.

  2964. Go. Go ahead Ms. Keel.

  2965. - I just wanted to

    actually say I appreciated

  2966. the comment about thinking

    about the neighbors in

  2967. Woodlawn af 'cause I'm

    in that neighborhood

  2968. and if you continue to include

  2969. that in this feasibility study,

  2970. the neighborhood appreciates

    it, so thank you.

  2971. - Okay, Mr. Tobin,

  2972. - Michael Tobin, precinct

    Chief, Mr. Moderator. Mr.

  2973. - Tobin, - The question

    here is when do we start the

  2974. feasibility study?

  2975. Do we start it now this year

  2976. and do we kick it down

    the road one or two years

  2977. or sometime into the future?

  2978. And I do have some hope that

    with the Town Wide Capital

  2979. Planning Committee,

    with all of the projects

  2980. that are gonna be in front of us,

  2981. we'd have a slightly better view of

  2982. this priority versus others

  2983. and the shaping of this

    project when it does come.

  2984. So for me, this is a,

    let's look at this in one

  2985. or two years, not now.

  2986. - So Mr. McDonough, what,

    what is the plan for

  2987. assuming this passes when the feasibility

  2988. study would get underway?

  2989. - Joe McDonough Director

    - Mr. McDonough,

  2990. - I think we should start at July 1st.

  2991. That's the schedule. We're

    looking to start the process

  2992. to hire an architect tomorrow

    if this gets approved.

  2993. And the reason being, the reason

    why I showed those slides,

  2994. we, we have a plan

  2995. and the plan would be

    that first task to kind

  2996. of further expand the concept,

  2997. the preferred concept

    from the master plan and,

  2998. and look at a couple of different options.

  2999. And that's information that

  3000. before we spend a lot of

    money on the, on, you know,

  3001. the $500,000 worth of field work.

  3002. Some of it we know we have to do,

  3003. but we'll have probably within

  3004. six months we'll have

    really good information

  3005. for the Tom White Capital Plan committee.

  3006. So that's why I wouldn't delay this.

  3007. I think we, we get right out there.

  3008. Well, and you know, if we

    pause at that point, if,

  3009. again thinking about, at least in my mind,

  3010. what the Tom White Capital

    Planning Committee is gonna be

  3011. doing is they're gonna be

    looking at these major projects

  3012. and looking at the financing implications

  3013. and deciding what they can

    afford when it should be done

  3014. based on how it meets the criteria.

  3015. So, you know, there's four

  3016. or five big kind of brick projects

  3017. that we know are out there,

    where do they get slotted?

  3018. So I think we really need

  3019. to have this feasibility

    study information in order

  3020. to be able to figure out how

    do we best slot the DPW project

  3021. with some of the other projects.

  3022. - Yes, sir. Mr. Moderator Ethan Davis,

  3023. precinct D Yes. Mr. Davis.

  3024. - Mr. Moderator a clear kind

    of a clarifying question.

  3025. I mean, I, looking at this

    timeline, it's, you know,

  3026. we've heard of this talk

    about phasing and the project

  3027. and I just wanna make sure

    that, is that something that

  3028. as we vote for feasibility, the consultant

  3029. that is performing the feasibility study,

  3030. are they gonna come back

    with different phased options

  3031. for this project so we could

  3032. conceivably spread the cost along a

  3033. longer timeline than this?

  3034. I mean, I see a debt exclusion

    ballot vote of spring 2029.

  3035. I mean, that's gonna be a $90 million vote

  3036. or a hundred million dollar vote,

  3037. but is that something

    that's being considered?

  3038. Is that something that's

    gonna be talked about

  3039. with the Capital Planning

    Committee anyways?

  3040. I just want some more

    clarification on what we mean

  3041. by phasing and funding.

  3042. Thank you.

  3043. - Okay, so clarification on

    what you mean by the phasing

  3044. and funding and whether what options

  3045. and alternatives will be considered.

  3046. - So there's construction phasing

  3047. and there's kind of building

    program phasing, you know,

  3048. construction phasing is,

    you need to move people out

  3049. of a building temporarily

    so you can renovate it.

  3050. The phasing that I'm referring

    to in the plan here is to,

  3051. for example, build those new

    buildings on the right hand

  3052. side of the site for X

    number of million dollars.

  3053. Right? That's, that's phase

    one of the, of the project

  3054. as part of that phase one

  3055. or phase one A, if you want,

    we could do minor renovation

  3056. to the existing building to allow it

  3057. to be used for vehicle storage.

  3058. Phase two or phase three,

    whatever you wanna call it.

  3059. It could be demolishing

  3060. that existing vehicle storage building

  3061. and replacing it with a new building.

  3062. So those are the exact type

    of scenarios we wanna look at.

  3063. We're gonna have a much more

    detailed scope of services than

  3064. what I'm showing up here,

  3065. but typically it would be

    looking at at least three

  3066. preferred options with and

    without land use and FMD

  3067. and to develop costs for each of those,

  3068. - I guess Ms. Squiggley,

  3069. - Patty Quigley, precinct, d Ms.

  3070. - Quigley,

    - I'm not sure

  3071. who would a answer this

    question, but through you, Mr.

  3072. Moderator talking about phasing,

  3073. but more on the dollar amount in the

  3074. borrowing, I'm guessing that we would

  3075. go to debt exclusion with the

    total amount of the project so

  3076. that we have the whole

    project approved by the town

  3077. or disapproved by the town.

  3078. And then is it possible

  3079. as a town, do we get taxed

    on the money as we borrow it

  3080. or do we get taxed on the

    money as we approve it?

  3081. - I think Ms job in,

  3082. in the best position to

    answer that question.

  3083. So when the tax impact would be felt?

  3084. - So typically from a

    borrowing standpoint,

  3085. we actually do it in two

    phases, whether we do

  3086. inside the levee for the

    design schematic design prior

  3087. to construction costs.

  3088. So I think in this scenario

    we're estimating about

  3089. 10 million or so in design costs.

  3090. If we did the entire

    project all at one time,

  3091. that ultimately that

    inside the levee borrowing

  3092. or through debt exclusion,

    the board would have to vote.

  3093. Currently in the town wide

    financial plan, we have 'em both

  3094. as debt exclusions given

    the significant costs.

  3095. So we actually borrow about a year

  3096. after it's approved just

    in terms of our, our cycle.

  3097. And it is, we we're not taxed on that.

  3098. We don't have a taxable

    component. They're tax exempt.

  3099. But you mean the interest,

  3100. is that what you mean? Yeah, I might

  3101. - Not have used the right

    terminology, so sorry.

  3102. Yep. But I guess from, from the

  3103. resident standpoint, yeah, yeah, yeah.

  3104. - I'm with you now. Okay.

  3105. So typically once you borrow,

    so anything approved here

  3106. that we were gonna borrow,

  3107. which we have some borrowing

    items coming up for

  3108. water sewer for instance, but,

  3109. but if we had a borrowing,

    we borrow the subsequent year

  3110. and then that would hit your

    taxes in the next tax rate.

  3111. So if we approve something

    at the special town meeting,

  3112. your tax rate's gonna be

    set actually in December,

  3113. it's closer, and then it would

    hit your taxes in January.

  3114. If it's, if we approve something

    at annual town meeting,

  3115. it's really not to that like next May

  3116. that we would do the actual borrowing.

  3117. So it hit you like that

    December, it's just

  3118. - When you borrow,

    - What's that?

  3119. Sorry. Yeah, it's when you borrow. Yeah.

  3120. - Yeah, go ahead.

  3121. - Oh, I think this is

    a little high for me.

  3122. Hi Gwen Baker, precinct day.

  3123. I just have a comment

    about all of this spending

  3124. and people are talking about it

  3125. and raising different issues.

  3126. All these projects are, this is great.

  3127. I mean, I appreciate what the

    gentleman shared about the

  3128. appalling condition of

    the buildings and so on.

  3129. But you know, I've spent most of my career

  3130. as a personal financial

    planner, I've dealt

  3131. with people's budgets and money.

  3132. People have to make choices,

    they have to have priorities

  3133. and they have to make decisions

    whether you borrow money

  3134. as an individual, a

    business, or as a community.

  3135. And so I just would like

    to encourage people,

  3136. if they're gonna have

    a a, a town wide plan,

  3137. maybe you wanna wait

  3138. and sort of see where

    everybody feels about

  3139. these various projects, you know,

  3140. because raising taxes

    sounds great in theory,

  3141. but in practice it drives

    people out of communities.

  3142. I mean, that's what's going on all over.

  3143. And this has been written

    about extensively.

  3144. I don't have to even add to it.

  3145. You know, they don't talk about

    Wellesley specifically when

  3146. they talk about Boston, but

    they do talk about the state.

  3147. And so you, you wanna get to

    the place where you don't have,

  3148. you know, where people can,

  3149. you could have a diverse community

  3150. and if it becomes prohibitively

    expensive, taxes, expenses,

  3151. housing, you don't have

    a diverse community.

  3152. You have a bunch of

    rich people ultimately.

  3153. So I just wanted to share that thought.

  3154. Maybe wait for the capital

    plan or whatever. Thank you.

  3155. - Okay, thank you Mr. Jones.

  3156. - Pete Jones, precinct B Mr. Monte.

  3157. - Mr. Jones.

    - Yeah,

  3158. this is a huge expenditure

    larger than I figured on reading

  3159. through the, the manuals of it.

  3160. I think we ought to do this

    in a, a smaller way, half of

  3161. that, at least in my, my

    thought content on that.

  3162. But you know, we tend nowadays

    to go to debt exclusions.

  3163. Think of it this way.

  3164. If you were born in 1965

  3165. or earlier,

  3166. a debt exclusion would actually be an

  3167. override for the rest of your life.

  3168. I don't think we think of it that way.

  3169. We're looking at a 33% when

    all this stuff is done.

  3170. We're looking at a 33% increase is

  3171. the figure that we've been given.

  3172. But again, if you look at about 28 to 30%

  3173. of the population in Wellesley

    falls within that category,

  3174. a dead exclusion is not a safety net maybe

  3175. for some young people,

    but from age, you know,

  3176. when you were born in 1965

  3177. or sooner, that dead

    exclusion is an override.

  3178. My comment,

  3179. - Mr.

  3180. Criswell,

  3181. - Mr.

  3182. Moderator, Paul Criswell

    precinct date, Mr.

  3183. Criswell, I rise in support of this motion

  3184. and I do so for two reasons.

  3185. Number one, I would ask everybody

  3186. to consider the leverage aspect of this.

  3187. These are the people that take care

  3188. of our infrastructure

    in town, their ability

  3189. to do their job better

  3190. and to do it more efficiently

    will save us money

  3191. everywhere in the town.

  3192. Every one of our roads, every

    bit of, of our sewage systems,

  3193. of our water systems,

    our our parks, the things

  3194. that we enjoy and those costs

  3195. and those cost savings will

    also flow down to each of us in,

  3196. in, in our costs of

    operating our own households.

  3197. The opposite is also true.

  3198. To the extent that we don't

    do that well, it's going

  3199. to raise our costs of

    fixing things down the road

  3200. and it's going to raise costs

    for all of us in the operation

  3201. of, of our household.

  3202. So I think that this is an investment

  3203. more than it is purely a cost.

  3204. Second of all, as I look at

    all of the projects that are,

  3205. that are coming down the

    road now, this is the one

  3206. that in my mind is the hardest one to,

  3207. to get our arms around.

  3208. This isn't the renovation

    or rebuilding of a building.

  3209. This is a campus with numerous buildings,

  3210. new numerous functions,

    numerous options as to how

  3211. that can go.

  3212. I believe it will be very

    helpful, maybe necessary for us

  3213. as we do town wide capital

    planning to understand all

  3214. of the different options of this.

  3215. Because otherwise we

    would just be speculating.

  3216. It will be much, we will do

    much better planning if we

  3217. understand what our options

    are in an accurate way

  3218. with regard to the, to this campus.

  3219. Thank you

  3220. - Mr.

  3221. Moderator. Kelly Norris precinct. Yes,

  3222. - Ms.

  3223. Ms. Norris, ours,

  3224. - Obviously a number of

    people have touched on

  3225. the importance that we've heard

    about the Capital Planning

  3226. Committee and its job to evaluate

    the best timeline in order

  3227. for major capital projects.

  3228. And we also regularly

    talk, hear about the hope

  3229. for studies to be done once

  3230. and avoid doing them too far

    in advance of the right time

  3231. for the design and construction

  3232. to move forward on these projects.

  3233. And, and we end up, I

    feel like we end up paying

  3234. for studies more than once,

    more often than many seem

  3235. to seem to like.

  3236. I, I understand the need for this study

  3237. and I certainly wanna take

    care of the people who, who,

  3238. who do this good work.

  3239. But, but my question is,

  3240. and my concern is if we aren't

    using the Capital Planning

  3241. Committee to advise on the

    timing of initiating a study

  3242. that could lead to a

    project with a magnitude

  3243. of a hundred million dollars in addition

  3244. to the great complexity of this project,

  3245. it feels like it undercuts the purpose

  3246. of having a capital planning committee.

  3247. So my question is why shouldn't

    we use the Capital Planning

  3248. Committee to consider this study

  3249. and come back to town meeting

    with their recommendation

  3250. for the study on the best timeline

  3251. to move forward in relation to the rest

  3252. of all these capital projects coming.

  3253. - So question is why not

    wait until the capital,

  3254. the Capital Studies Committee is formed

  3255. and then let them make

    the determination and Ms.

  3256. O Frank will answer that question.

  3257. - Colette, our Frank Precinct team select

  3258. - Yes, Ms.

  3259. - I think as Joe has touched on and,

  3260. and certainly we've

    touched on a little bit

  3261. before, the Town Wide

    Capital Planning Committee,

  3262. in my opinion, needs the results

    of this phase of the work.

  3263. In order to do its job of

    planning, we're gonna have

  3264. to ask some really difficult questions.

  3265. What's the priority? What are

    the operational alternatives?

  3266. Could we do a smaller capital project?

  3267. Could we delay the capital project?

  3268. What is Plan B if this

    does not go through?

  3269. Those are five critical

    questions we're gonna have

  3270. to ask on every single

    project at the moment.

  3271. Without the results of this work,

  3272. we cannot answer those questions.

  3273. I think it is critically inhibiting

  3274. to the town-wide Capital

    Planning Committee's work

  3275. to not have this work go forward.

  3276. - Mr. Moderator Kelly

    Norris precinct? Yes,

  3277. - Ms. Norris,

    - Just a follow up.

  3278. Does this mean that the Capital

    Planning Committee won't be

  3279. considering any studies and

  3280. that all studies should move

    forward directly from their

  3281. proponents before the

    Capital Planning Committee

  3282. gets involved with projects?

  3283. - Okay, Ms. O Frank, does

    this mean that the Capital

  3284. Planning Committee will

    only deal with projects

  3285. after the studies have been completed?

  3286. The feasibility studies,

  3287. - I think the proponent

    will bring forward a project

  3288. proposal form at each phase.

  3289. So if it's master planning,

  3290. they'll bring forward a

    proposal form at that stage.

  3291. If it's the next stage.

  3292. Feasibility design construction,

    for example at each stage,

  3293. the time by Capital Planning

    Committee would need

  3294. to consider the proponents proposal.

  3295. - Okay, I'm not seeing

    anybody else rise to speak.

  3296. Any non town meeting,

  3297. town meeting member

    residents wish to be heard.

  3298. Okay, I think we are ready for the vote.

  3299. This requires a simple majority

  3300. and I think we're gonna do

    this by electronic voting.

  3301. Okay. The voting period is now open.

  3302. One for yes, two for no,

    three for abstention.

  3303. 10 seconds remain in the voting period.

  3304. The voting period is now closed.

  3305. Okay, we have a hundred and

    142 votes in the affirmative.

  3306. 38. No one abstention.

  3307. So the motion under Article 20 carries.

  3308. So Article 20 is closed

  3309. and the next three motions

  3310. in the advisory book

    have either been approved

  3311. or by consent or no motions made.

  3312. So we now turn to Article 24.

    Motion one under Article 24.

  3313. And I recognize Mr. Wexler for the motion.

  3314. - Mr. Moderator Jeff

    Wexler precinct H Chair

  3315. of Board of Public Works.

  3316. - Yes. Mr. Wexler,

  3317. - I ask that you waive

    the reading of the motion

  3318. as it appears on the screen has

    been previously distributed.

  3319. - The reading of the motion is waived

  3320. - And I ask that you

    recognize Dave Cohen, director

  3321. of Department of Public Works,

  3322. - Mr. Cohen,

  3323. - Dave Cohen, DPW Director, Mr. Moderator.

  3324. - Mr. Cohen

    - We're in Brookline.

  3325. So Motion one seeks authorization

  3326. for the sewer fund to borrow up

  3327. to $1,643,250 from the Massachusetts Water

  3328. Resources Authority MWRA.

  3329. The borrowing would have

    no tax impact to the town.

  3330. The M WRA Sewer Infiltration

  3331. and Inflow Local financial

    assistance program is a

  3332. combination of grants

  3333. and interest free loans

    for sewer rehab work.

  3334. The loan is interest free

    and repaid over 10 years.

  3335. Actual borrowing takes

    place in several stages

  3336. after work is completed.

  3337. Funds from this loan will be used

  3338. to continue our multi-year sewer

    line rehabilitation program

  3339. to reduce infiltration and

    inflow into town sewer lines.

  3340. The proposed borrowing qualifies the town

  3341. for an additional

    $1,209,750 in grant funding.

  3342. Infiltration is water that

    seeps into the sewer lines due

  3343. to cracks or unsealed joints.

  3344. Inflow is water that

    enters the sewer lines

  3345. through direct connections

    such as illegal sump pumps.

  3346. Infiltration and inflow

  3347. or INI is a major contributor

    to the town Sewage flow,

  3348. which is the basis for MWRA sewer charges.

  3349. Town meeting has previously

    approved over 4.7 million

  3350. of borrowing under this program

    that resulted in the receipt

  3351. of over $5.6 million in

    grants for this purpose.

  3352. This proposed borrowing is based on work

  3353. to be completed in FY 26 and beyond.

  3354. This program continues

    to be a great opportunity

  3355. to make investments in

    our sewer infrastructure

  3356. and helps keep rates low.

  3357. We ask for your favorable

    action on motion one.

  3358. - Mr. Riley

  3359. - Madison Riley. Mr. Moderator

  3360. - Mr. Riley,

    - Regarding Article 24 motion one.

  3361. Advisory believes the benefits

  3362. of these MWRA loans is exceptional.

  3363. Since their interest free

  3364. and the improvements

    they fund are important

  3365. for the long term health

    of the town's sewer system,

  3366. there's no tax impact

  3367. as the loan will be repaid

    from the sewer enterprise fund.

  3368. An advisor recommends

    favorable action 12 to zero.

  3369. - Okay, the floor is

    open for discussion on

  3370. motion one under radical 24.

  3371. Okay. Not seeing anybody wishing to speak.

  3372. Let's try a voice vote on this.

  3373. If this is unanimous,

    then we don't have to go

  3374. to an electronic vote on a two thirds.

  3375. All in favor say aye. A. All opposed.

  3376. Okay, I declare that that

    passes by a unanimous voice Vote

  3377. cl We close a motion one under Article 24.

  3378. Move on to motion two under Article 24.

  3379. And again, I recognize Mr.

    Wexler to make the motion.

  3380. Yes, Mr. Wexler

  3381. - It keeps shocking.

  3382. Mr. Moderator Jeff Wexler precinct H.

  3383. - Yes. Mr. Wexler,

    - I ask that you waive the reading

  3384. of the motion as it appears on the screen

  3385. has been previously distributed.

  3386. - Reading of the motion is waived.

  3387. - And I ask that you once again

  3388. recognize Dave Cohen

    director to talk about some

  3389. very fortuitous opportunities. Yes.

  3390. - Mr. Cohen.

  3391. - Dave Cohen. DPW Director Mr. Moderator?

  3392. - Yes. Mr. Cohen.

    - Motion two seeks authorization

  3393. for the water fund to borrow up

  3394. to $500,000 interest free from the MWRA.

  3395. The borrowing would have

    no tax impact to the town.

  3396. The MWRA pipeline local financial

    assistance program offers

  3397. loans for water distribution

    system improvements.

  3398. The loans are interest free

    and repaid over 10 years.

  3399. Actual borrowing takes

    place in several stages

  3400. after work is completed.

  3401. Funds for the for these loans will be used

  3402. to continue our multi-year

    water distribution systems.

  3403. Improvements throughout town.

  3404. Town meeting has supported use

    of this funding since 2004.

  3405. Having previous previously

    approved over $7.3 million

  3406. of borrowing under this program.

  3407. This authorization to borrow

    funds interest free is a great

  3408. opportunity to make investments

    in our water infrastructure

  3409. and help keep rates low.

  3410. We ask for your favorable

    action on motion two.

  3411. - Yes. Mr. Ri, Mr. Riley

  3412. - Madison Riley. Mr. Moderator

  3413. - Mr. Riley,

    - In a similar vein

  3414. regarding Article 24, motion two.

  3415. Pfizer believes the benefits

    of the NWRA loans very high

  3416. as our interest free and improvements.

  3417. And they fund the, and they

    fund important improvements

  3418. that are benefit the long-term health

  3419. of the town's water system.

  3420. No tax impact and the

    loan is repaid from the

  3421. Water Enterprise Fund.

  3422. We recommend favorable action 12 to zero.

  3423. - Okay. Thank you Mr. Riley.

  3424. So the floor is now open for

  3425. debate on motion two under Article 24,

  3426. does anybody wish to be heard?

  3427. Are there any non town meeting

  3428. member residents who wish to be heard?

  3429. Okay. Not seeing anybody who wishes

  3430. to speak on the pending motion again,

  3431. let's try a voice vote.

  3432. It's a two thirds vote

    because it requires bonding.

  3433. Let's see if we can get

    the same type of vote with

  3434. as we had in the previous motion.

  3435. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed?

  3436. Okay. The, the, the motion

    two under Article 24

  3437. passes unanimously by voice vote.

  3438. So we close Article 24.

  3439. Now it is now 25 after 10.

  3440. This next article, which is

    the last article on the agenda

  3441. for tonight, 29.

  3442. Maybe a little complicated to explain,

  3443. but it hasn't generated any opposition

  3444. or discussion to my knowledge.

  3445. So I'm, I'm just gonna

    ask for a show of hands

  3446. if, if we can avoid leaving Mr. Cohen in

  3447. Coolidge Corner overnight.

  3448. I guess so how many are willing to stay?

  3449. Just say not later than 11

    o'clock to finish this one up.

  3450. Okay. How many are not willing to stay?

  3451. Okay, we are far more willing to stay.

  3452. So let's move on to number 29. Mr. Wexler.

  3453. - Oh,

  3454. - Mr.

  3455. Moderator. Steve Park precinct.

  3456. G chair of the Natural

    Resources Commission.

  3457. - Yes. Yes sir.

    - I'm not,

  3458. - We need a town meeting member.

  3459. - Oh, okay.

  3460. - Okay. Mr.

  3461. Moderator Jeff Wexler,

    precinct eight works? Yes. Mr.

  3462. - Wexler works.

    - I ask that you waive the rating

  3463. of the motion as it appears on the screen.

  3464. Yes. And was previously distributed.

  3465. - The reading of the motion is waived

  3466. - And I ask that you

    recognize Mr. Park, your

  3467. not Mr. Cohen Big change Mr.

    Park to speak on this matter.

  3468. - Yes. Mr. Burke?

  3469. - Yep. Mr. Park.

    - Come on.

  3470. - Mr. Mr. Moderator. Steve

    Park. Park Precinct. G

  3471. - Mr. Park.

  3472. I'm sorry,

  3473. - The reading, the reading

  3474. of the motion has already

    been waived, right?

  3475. - Well it's waived now.

  3476. - Okay, good evening.

  3477. The motion before he proposes

    an Article 97 land swap

  3478. between the N-R-C-D-P-W and MWRA.

  3479. The NRC would transfer

    approximately half an acre

  3480. of protected Article 97 land.

  3481. Okay, sorry. I'll start again.

  3482. The motion before you propose

    is an Article 97 land swap

  3483. between the N-R-C-D-P-W and MWRA.

  3484. The NRC would transfer

    approximately half an acre

  3485. of protected Article 97 land

    at Rosemary Brook Town Forest

  3486. at 1 25 Barton Road to the DPW.

  3487. The DPW will make the

    land available to the MWRA

  3488. for the construction of

    a shaft site for access

  3489. to subsurface piping

  3490. and furtherance of the

    Metropolitan Water Tunnel program.

  3491. This will also allow the town

  3492. to connect the nearby

    Haggerty pumping station

  3493. to the new water tunnel system.

  3494. The DPW will complete the land swap

  3495. by transferring approximately half an acre

  3496. of water department land to the NRC.

  3497. This land is adjacent to Ice

    House pond in the Mors Pond

  3498. beach area and it will be per

    permanently protected under

  3499. Article 97.

  3500. The NRC has discussed the

    proposed land transfer

  3501. between N-R-C-D-P-W and an

    MWRA at several meetings

  3502. and approves the designs.

  3503. The NRC is comfortable with the transfer

  3504. and confident that the proposal meets the

  3505. requirements of Article 97.

  3506. As the proposed land is compar,

  3507. the proposed land is comparable

    in character and size

  3508. and does not represent a loss

  3509. of protected open space for the community.

  3510. And with that, I ask you

    to recognize Dave Cohen

  3511. of the public works to speak

    in more detail on this matter

  3512. - Mr. Cohen.

  3513. And just for clarification,

    the article 97, he referred to

  3514. as not the warrant, but

    rather the state constitution.

  3515. - Dave Cohen, DPW Director, Mr.

  3516. Moderator, Mr. Cohen

    Boston is in view. Mr.

  3517. Moderator, this article,

    sorry to all of you.

  3518. This article requests

    authorization for land transfers so

  3519. that the MWRA can construct

    a deep tunnel shaft

  3520. for their upcoming metro

    water tunnel project.

  3521. Turns out that the preferred location

  3522. for the tunnel shaft is located

    on NRC Article 97 property

  3523. next to the Haggerty pumping

    station on Barton Road.

  3524. To make this work, we have

    to transfer the property

  3525. to the MWRA and to make that work, we need

  3526. to find suitable replacement land.

  3527. So with the support of the

    NRC, we identified suitable,

  3528. suitable replacement land,

  3529. which we will discuss in a minute.

  3530. And to make all of this work,

    the action require requested

  3531. of town meeting has three parts.

  3532. First, We ask that you

    authorize the NRC to dispose

  3533. of about half an acre of

    land at their property at

  3534. 1 25 Barton Road.

  3535. This will also allow

    subsequent transfer of the land

  3536. to the MWRA.

  3537. Then we ask for you, for

    you to authorize the Board

  3538. of Public Works to transfer

    an equivalent amount

  3539. of Waterworks Waterworks land

    near Morse's Pond to the NRC

  3540. as replacement Article 97 land.

  3541. And finally, we ask that you

    authorize the select board

  3542. to petition the state to allow disposition

  3543. of land currently protected by Article 97.

  3544. Some background. So the purpose

    of the MWRA Metro Tunnel is

  3545. to provide key redundancy

    to the MWRA system in the,

  3546. in the metro Boston area.

  3547. When complete this project

    will allow the MWRA

  3548. to perform critical maintenance

    on their existing network,

  3549. which is very old and is in

    serious need of attention.

  3550. This map shows the conceptual

    tunnel location shown in red

  3551. dash line with one one branch

    heading north out of Westin

  3552. and one branch heading south.

  3553. The arrow points to our Haggerty

    pumping station in 2023.

  3554. The MWRA reached out to let

    us know that their plans

  3555. for the Metro Tunnel Project

    would see the deep tunnel pass

  3556. 300 feet underneath Wellesley.

  3557. And that there was an opportunity

  3558. to construct a shaft adjacent

  3559. to the Haggerty pumping

    station on Barton Road, which

  3560. is happens to be the location

    of our current connection

  3561. to the MWRA.

  3562. This is an advantageous location for us.

  3563. Since eventual connection

  3564. to this new tunnel would

    involve only minimal disruption

  3565. right across the driveway.

  3566. As plans moved forward, the

    most advantageous location

  3567. for the tunnel shaft was on

    the parcel, as I mentioned,

  3568. right across from the Hagerty station.

  3569. And that land is owned by the NRC

  3570. and it's Article 97 Conservation

    Land in order to make use

  3571. of that land statute requires

  3572. that suitable replacement

    land be identified.

  3573. We reviewed alternatives throughout town

  3574. and landed on the Waterworks land adjacent

  3575. to the NRC property at Morris' Pond.

  3576. The Board of Public Works and

    NRC both approved of this,

  3577. of this option in concept.

  3578. When we reviewed this option

  3579. with the State's Executive

    Office of Environmental Affairs,

  3580. affairs heard no objection from them.

  3581. The next step for us is

    then town meeting approval.

  3582. So this map shows the two

    properties under discussion

  3583. with the red line in

    the upper right showing

  3584. the MWRA tunnel.

  3585. On the right side is the

    Barton Road NRC parcel.

  3586. And on the left side is the Board

  3587. of Public Works waterworks parcel adjacent

  3588. to the NRC at Mors Pond.

  3589. This this slide shows a plan view

  3590. and an aerial view of both parcels.

  3591. You can see the proximity

    of the parcel proposed

  3592. of the proposed shaft to

    the Haggerty pumping station

  3593. where we can connect to that

    shaft just across the driveway.

  3594. That parcel is 23,453 feet

  3595. at the Mors Pond site.

  3596. The carve out of Waterworks

    land would give the NRCA

  3597. contiguous parcel for

    conservation purposes.

  3598. This parcel is 24,000 square feet.

  3599. MWRA schedule for this project indicates

  3600. that activity at the shaft

    site would take place

  3601. approximately in 2030 in the

    event that their plans change.

  3602. The deed and grant of easement

    would include reversionary

  3603. clause where ownership

  3604. and rights of the land would revert back

  3605. to Wellesley if the land were not used

  3606. for the purposes it was acquired for.

  3607. So we have a three step process leading

  3608. to an outcome we feel is

    advantageous for the town.

  3609. I appreciate your patience

    through all my marathon

  3610. of presentations this evening

  3611. and ask for your favorable

    action on this motion.

  3612. - Okay. Mr. Mr. Riley

  3613. - Madison Riley. Mr. Moderator?

  3614. - Yes, Mr. Riley.

    - Regarding Article 29

  3615. advisory supports the proposed

    land swap between the town

  3616. and the Massachusetts Water

    Resource Authority and WRA.

  3617. The principle benefit to the

    town is enhanced reliability of

  3618. and access to MWRA water

    infrastructure which will

  3619. strengthen, strengthen the

    town's water supply system.

  3620. There is no net loss of

    town conservation land

  3621. as transferring a half an acre

  3622. of land in the Rosemary

    Town Forest would be offset

  3623. by putting an equal amount

    of land near Morse's Pond

  3624. into conservation use.

  3625. Advisory recommends

    favorable action 12 to zero.

  3626. - Thank you Mr. Riley.

    The floor is now open

  3627. for debate on the motion under Article 29.

  3628. Mr. Jones. Mr. Jones, I think

    you jumped, you jumped ahead

  3629. of the person who was heading

    down here first. Okay.

  3630. - Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, okay. Okay.

  3631. Pete Jones, precinct B.

  3632. - Mr. Jones.

    - Mr.

  3633. Moderator, looking at this proposal,

  3634. and correct me if I'm

    wrong, it sounds like

  3635. we're taking two pieces of

    property that belong to the town

  3636. trading one to the, to the MWRA

  3637. and having another, it,

    it almost seems like we're

  3638. consuming two pieces of our

    property for their benefit.

  3639. I don't, I'd like a little

    clarification on that

  3640. because it, it's not clear in my mind

  3641. that this is beneficial

    for the town and the,

  3642. and the follow up question on

    this would be why do they have

  3643. to own that piece of property?

  3644. Why can't we just give them an easement

  3645. in that piece of property?

  3646. So two questions,

  3647. two parts is it sounds

    like we're using two pieces

  3648. of our property to make the deal.

  3649. - Mr. Cohen, I guess the

    question is we're giving up too

  3650. much and do we need to give up

    anything to make this happen?

  3651. - Dave Cohen, DPW Director,

    Mr. Moderator, Mr. Cohen.

  3652. So perhaps I misspoke.

  3653. One parcel would be

    transferred to the MWRA.

  3654. The rest of the land

    is within town control.

  3655. And really the second

    piece of the transaction is

  3656. because of the article 97

    statute, we just need to find

  3657. that replacement land.

  3658. And so just one parcel that

    we would be transferring

  3659. to the MWRA, we think

  3660. that it would be significant

    advantage for the town.

  3661. If we don't make that available

    then it would be unlikely

  3662. that we would be able to

    connect to the metro tunnel.

  3663. This allows us to do that

  3664. with minimal disruption to the town.

  3665. We wouldn't have to dig

    through roads in town.

  3666. It's right literally

    right across the driveway.

  3667. So we think there's a

    significant advantage and,

  3668. but this is for you to all consider,

  3669. - Okay, Ms. Weinberg,

  3670. - Nancy Weinberg precinct.

  3671. I'm relieved to hear that it

    would revert back to the town.

  3672. That wasn't clear to me at first.

  3673. Under what circumstance

    would this not go through

  3674. and get held?

  3675. Can you explain that?

    2030, if they don't use it,

  3676. if you don't connect by then

  3677. - The circumstances under

  3678. what you would revert back to the town.

  3679. - Dave Cohen, DPW director, Mr. Moderator,

  3680. - Mr. Cohen.

  3681. - I don't anticipate there

    will be any circumstances but,

  3682. but there's just a, a

    little bit of protection

  3683. for the town in the event

  3684. that the MWA say couldn't

    get the permitting

  3685. to do the work that they wanted to do.

  3686. So if that project doesn't

    go forward for any purpose,

  3687. that's, that clause is in is sort

  3688. of gives us that protection.

  3689. - And a follow up question, Mr.

  3690. Moderator, I believe

    there were what six towns,

  3691. did any other town have to

    give over a half of an acre

  3692. or any other acreage of land

    for this tunnel project?

  3693. - Did any, did any of the other towns have

  3694. to give anything up to make this happen?

  3695. - Dave Cohen, dp, DPW Director

    or Mr. Moderator? Mr. Cohen.

  3696. So there were several other communities

  3697. that are potentially impacted by this

  3698. and each of them I think

    has unique situations.

  3699. Waltham was one of them.

    Another one was in Needham.

  3700. That one actually happens

    to be on MWRA property.

  3701. So there was no transfer there.

  3702. And then a couple of the other

    sites were either mast or DCR

  3703. and then there might

    be one other property.

  3704. I'm not sure what town it

    is. So as I, I inquired

  3705. to the MWRA about that same question.

  3706. They did gimme the information

    about these other sites,

  3707. but it seemed like none of them were quite

  3708. similar to what we had.

  3709. So we had a little bit of

    different situation. So

  3710. - This is the only instance

  3711. of a town giving away their

    land for this purpose.

  3712. For a benefit of course, but Okay.

  3713. - That I know of right now.

    - Okay, Mr. Jones.

  3714. - So I just want to Mr.

    Mario, Pete Jones Precinct P

  3715. - Mr. Jones.

  3716. - So I think I understand it completely

  3717. that we're basically dealing

    with two pieces of our property

  3718. with the benefit of the MWRA.

  3719. For some reason they will not let us have

  3720. that connection because

    we don't give them those

  3721. that, that trade off.

  3722. I is that my understanding

  3723. - Is the transfer of the land

    to the M-W-I-R-A necessary

  3724. to make the connection.

  3725. - Yeah. Dave Cohen. So Mr.

  3726. Moderator, so the,

  3727. the reason why I sort of

    answered the first part of the,

  3728. the speaker's question,

    the, the difference between

  3729. doing a, a land transfer

    versus an easement.

  3730. An easement is something that

    would be considered if there

  3731. was, if there was

    infrastructure under the ground.

  3732. But because this is gonna require

    a shaft state above ground

  3733. that needs to be

    maintained, it's the M BMW's

  3734. preference, I would say,

  3735. but possibly need their need

    that the land be transferred so

  3736. that they can control that completely

  3737. and not have to do it through an easement.

  3738. And so we felt as though

    that was reasonable

  3739. and it is to their advantage.

  3740. But I I will also say that for us,

  3741. we think it's a significant

    advantage for us

  3742. to be able to connect to this.

  3743. If it's, if this

    opportunity weren't there,

  3744. then we wouldn't have that opportunity.

  3745. So, so for us it feels like a,

  3746. it feels like a reasonable

    and a good thing to do.

  3747. - Okay. Is there anybody else

  3748. that wishes to be heard on this?

  3749. Okay, before I call for the vote,

  3750. I just wanna make an announcement

  3751. 'cause people tend to leave very quickly

  3752. after the last vote.

  3753. And that is, there's a

    possibility that we're gonna have

  3754. to change the location of

    the meeting tomorrow night

  3755. because of fire code requirements.

  3756. So please check your emails tomorrow.

  3757. So if you get anything from the moderator,

  3758. from the town clerk or anybody

    else in the town, please

  3759. look at it because it will confirm

  3760. where we're gonna be

    meeting tomorrow night.

  3761. Okay. With, with that having

    been said, I think this vote,

  3762. this requires a two thirds

    because it's a land transaction.

  3763. And since we've had some discussion on it,

  3764. I think I'm gonna call for an

    electronic vote on this one.

  3765. Okay. 30 seconds to vote.

    One, one for yes, two for no.

  3766. Three to abstain.

  3767. 10 sec. 10 seconds. Remain

  3768. voting period is now closed.

  3769. 151 in the affirmative.

  3770. Three negative one abstention

  3771. that satisfies the two thirds requirements

  3772. of the motion under Article 29 carries.

  3773. See you tomorrow night somewhere.

  3774. - No complaints there.

  3775. Great job. See you.